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Those of you who have voiced an anti-Blu-ray stance have been consistant in one thing = SUBJECTIVITY.  Just accept the fact that Blu-rays give the consumer another choice, and that choice doesn't have to be the dominante format.  As long as Blu-ray is a worthy business venture, both provider and end-user will benefit.  No one is forcing anyone to do or buy anything the end-user doesn't want, and choice has proven that Blu-ray is a viable option.  Nothing wrong with that.



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While I will give it to you that compared to the previous jump of vhs to dvd, the leap tp HD isn't nearly as great, the improvement is there.

It continues to improve month after month, and soon enough will be cheaper due to things that you think aren't beneficial to you like more languages/subtitles. Having to make less regional differentiated products will result in cheaper costs to produce and purchase.

If that isn't enough

Plus this dvd war will only result in cheaper prices for you the consumer, so in the end even if this war only does so much as knock 5$ off of every dvd you buy from now on, then it has done more than enough i think.
BTW: I'm only 25, but from my younger years I've lost somewhere between 20-30 DVD's on scratches. There are even messier people than I.

Not all boxsets are like that. Even more predictably, in the future, 200-300GB BRs are a standard single disc, the word boxset will be a thing of the past.

EDIT: I used to be a hardcore regular of the DVDForums so I know more than GP, but people will learn soon enough.



I also don't think that there will ever be a library method of watching movies kitler, unless some kind of DVD/BR jukebox comes out which holds 200 DVD's.
Movie companies will not allow that kind of access.



theprof00 said:

While I will give it to you that compared to the previous jump of vhs to dvd, the leap tp HD isn't nearly as great, the improvement is there. - i can agree with that statement

It continues to improve month after month, and soon enough will be cheaper due to things that you think aren't beneficial to you like more languages/subtitles. Having to make less regional differentiated products will result in cheaper costs to produce and purchase.

If that isn't enough

Plus this dvd war will only result in cheaper prices for you the consumer, so in the end even if this war only does so much as knock 5$ off of every dvd you buy from now on, then it has done more than enough i think.
BTW: I'm only 25, but from my younger years I've lost somewhere between 20-30 DVD's on scratches. There are even messier people than I. i've already notice this actually and quite happy about that. xD

Not all boxsets are like that. Even more predictably, in the future, 200-300GB BRs are a standard single disc, the word boxset will be a thing of the past.

EDIT: I used to be a hardcore regular of the DVDForums so I know more than GP, but people will learn soon enough.

and just to be fair - digital downloads have more than it's fair share of shittyness right now with DRM issues, low download speeds for the file sizes (..and caps. stupid comcast), and simular to HDTV attach rates...not everyone has high speed internet anyways, along with storage capablilties.  it's still my preference thought.

 



The real reason Blu-Ray is discredited, is because accepting that this is a win, is accepting that PS3 sales will be on the rise, and people don't want to believe that. Then where would everyone be at that said that it was the worst idea ever.



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Soma said:

Yeah I agree, I liked this part:

"Sure, it's a young product, and DVD started out slowly too, but do all the people who espouse the belief that Blu-ray will succeed somehow forget that the jump between VHS and DVD was substantial?

Find yourself a VCR, and pop a tape into it. After that, throw a DVD into your player, and watch it on your HDTV. When you're done with that, do me a favor, and pop a Blu-ray movie into your PS3. Notice anything shocking when comparing VHS to DVD and anything, well, disappointing when comparing that DVD movie to Blu-ray?"

 

 I once read an article about videogames that remind me of this, comparing the jump between the Atari2600 and the Nes, and the Xbox to the Xbox360. People are still fine with last generation graphics and the sales of the PS2 or Wii are proof of that.

This.

It's mainly this that I think BD's adoption rate will be quite slow.

 



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Jordahn said:

Those of you who have voiced an anti-Blu-ray stance have been consistant in one thing = SUBJECTIVITY.  Just accept the fact that Blu-rays give the consumer another choice, and that choice doesn't have to be the dominante format.  As long as Blu-ray is a worthy business venture, both provider and end-user will benefit.  No one is forcing anyone to do or buy anything the end-user doesn't want, and choice has proven that Blu-ray is a viable option.  Nothing wrong with that.

Actually, I think that's what a lot of the people here are trying to say. Blu-ray is a format that has appeal and a market, but a lot of us just don't ever seeing becoming the sole standard the way DVD did. DVD will continue to have a major presence and Digital distribution is finding it's way as well.

 



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theprof00 said:
I also don't think that there will ever be a library method of watching movies kitler, unless some kind of DVD/BR jukebox comes out which holds 200 DVD's.
Movie companies will not allow that kind of access.

 

 perhaps no but i'm going to stick with dvd for the time being in hopes that some of these issues work themselves out. if the cost of BR comes down a bit (specifically the discs) i'll probably end up getting one anyways.  they fact that it's backward compatible with dvd is both an asset and a hindrence to BR.  I feel no rush to move to BR because of the backwards compatablility but has an added value of not losing my pervious collection (unlike the transition to VHS).



DMeisterJ said:
The real reason Blu-Ray is discredited, is because accepting that this is a win, is accepting that PS3 sales will be on the rise, and people don't want to believe that. Then where would everyone be at that said that it was the worst idea ever.

Or it could be the huge gap in disc sales vs DVD I posted.

 

Just saying... when you look at the numbers that matter instead of looking at the rosy spin numbers it's easy to see Blu-ray is still battling to be the next format and it isn't predetrimned.

I think the real reason people ignore the hard numbers that matter is because they think when Blu-ray goes over the top for some reason that will greatly increase PS3 sales...

When in reality even if it goes over top it probably won't... new buyers likely to be swayed to by standalone players instead.

 



stof said:
Jordahn said:

Those of you who have voiced an anti-Blu-ray stance have been consistant in one thing = SUBJECTIVITY.  Just accept the fact that Blu-rays give the consumer another choice, and that choice doesn't have to be the dominante format.  As long as Blu-ray is a worthy business venture, both provider and end-user will benefit.  No one is forcing anyone to do or buy anything the end-user doesn't want, and choice has proven that Blu-ray is a viable option.  Nothing wrong with that.

Actually, I think that's what a lot of the people here are trying to say. Blu-ray is a format that has appeal and a market, but a lot of us just don't ever seeing becoming the sole standard the way DVD did. DVD will continue to have a major presence and Digital distribution is finding it's way as well.

 

 

What you are saying in itself I'm agreeing most with, but what I have a problem with is the negative misconception some are trying to push.  Some are trying push that just because Blu-ray drops in sales and/or it doesn't become the dominant/mainstream option that somehow it was a bad venture all around for everyone.  A lot here are agreeing with me (mostly Blu-ray supporter).  But the anti-Blu-ray supporters are the ones I'm referring to.  They are voicing their opinion as to why Blu-ray isn't worth it to them which I can respect, but they try to pass it off as fact as if it applied to everyone else.  And that implies that everyone who are enjoying Blu-ray made a mistake and needs some sort of justification which isn't true.  That's what I have a problem with...



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