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Dno on 29 September 2008
stof said:
If you stick two tv's beside each other, each playing the same movie, one in DVD and one in Blu-ray, yeah there's a difference. But people don't watch movies like that. If I watch a movie on Blu-ray and then watch it again on DVD, I notice very little, if any difference.

 

 i cant.... i dont..... wait what?

this is just so wrong.



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stof on 29 September 2008

what? the quality difference between DVD and Blu-ray loses most of it's punch outside of screen by screen comparisons.



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theprof00 on 29 September 2008

god there is more differences than resolution alone.



kitler53 on 29 September 2008
Millennium said:
Beating HD-DVD was the easy part. Beating the entrenched standard is where I believe Blu-Ray will falter. DVD had many advantages that it could boast of over VHS: durability, random access, extras, multiple languages, and yes, better image and sound quality. Blu-Ray's only advantage over DVD is in image and sound quality, and then only to a degree that leaves many people wondering if it's really worth the price. Overcoming that obstacle will be what makes or breaks the format.

Honestly, I think Blu-Ray will become the next laserdisc: a niche format for technophiles, but nowhere near the mainstream.

allow me to reinterate this for those who may have missed this very intellegent post.

VHS to DVD advantages: better picture, better sound, rewinding no longer needed, better durablilty, random access points, multiple languages audio, subtitles, new special feature capabilities (like commentary), significantly smaller size of media.

DVD to BD advantages: better picture, better sound.

i've got nothing against HD but seriously they could have done a lot more to make the new format more appealing than only image/sound quality improvements.



theprof00 on 29 September 2008
kitler53 said:
Millennium said:
Beating HD-DVD was the easy part. Beating the entrenched standard is where I believe Blu-Ray will falter. DVD had many advantages that it could boast of over VHS: durability, random access, extras, multiple languages, and yes, better image and sound quality. Blu-Ray's only advantage over DVD is in image and sound quality, and then only to a degree that leaves many people wondering if it's really worth the price. Overcoming that obstacle will be what makes or breaks the format.

Honestly, I think Blu-Ray will become the next laserdisc: a niche format for technophiles, but nowhere near the mainstream.

allow me to reinterate this for those who may have missed this very intellegent post.

VHS to DVD advantages: better picture, better sound, rewinding no longer needed, better durablilty, random access points, multiple languages audio, subtitles, new special feature capabilities (like commentary), significantly smaller size of media.

DVD to BD advantages: better picture, better sound, Restart at exit scene after ejecting, Better durability, more language tracks, more subtitles, new special feature capabilities (like online view), significantly larger disk space.

i've got nothing against HD but seriously they could have done a lot more to make the new format more appealing than only image/sound quality improvements.

fixed

 



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kitler53 on 29 September 2008
theprof00 said:
kitler53 said:
Millennium said:
Beating HD-DVD was the easy part. Beating the entrenched standard is where I believe Blu-Ray will falter. DVD had many advantages that it could boast of over VHS: durability, random access, extras, multiple languages, and yes, better image and sound quality. Blu-Ray's only advantage over DVD is in image and sound quality, and then only to a degree that leaves many people wondering if it's really worth the price. Overcoming that obstacle will be what makes or breaks the format.

Honestly, I think Blu-Ray will become the next laserdisc: a niche format for technophiles, but nowhere near the mainstream.

allow me to reinterate this for those who may have missed this very intellegent post.

VHS to DVD advantages: better picture, better sound, rewinding no longer needed, better durablilty, random access points, multiple languages audio, subtitles, new special feature capabilities (like commentary), significantly smaller size of media.

DVD to BD advantages: better picture, better sound, Restart at exit scene after ejecting my dvd player already does that, Better durability (okay true but dvd doesn't have near the same level of duribility issues that VHS had and therefore not a significant improvement to me.  for fucks sake i have almost 400 dvd and exactly 1 that won't play anymore), more language tracks more =/= new feature , more subtitles more =/= new feature, new special feature capabilities (like online view) (explain in further detail please), significantly larger disk space (and i care?? that extra space is so that you can have HD video/sound.  it doesn't make my movies any longer and with the execption of LotR special edition what movie takes up more than 1 dvd?).

i've got nothing against HD but seriously they could have done a lot more to make the new format more appealing than only image/sound quality improvements.

fixed

 

fixed again...

 



theprof00 on 29 September 2008

better picture
better sound
durability improvment: Not an improvement for you= not an improvement for anyone
more language tracks: Not any languages you speak= not important
more subtitles: same thing
BD-Live= Previews that update themselves, exclusive content addition, p2p interaction, gaming, downloads
Larger disc: you have enough space for boxsets= nobody wants more content on a smaller amount of room.



JGarret on 29 September 2008

So, some people think there shouldn´t have been an HD media format and the industry should´ve waited for something else?



Jordahn on 29 September 2008
disolitude said:
MikeB said:
slimeattack said:
Blu-ray is still doing better than DVD was at this timepoint. I don't understand those who say it will flop. What did they expect, that Blu-ray will beat DVD on day one?

The Blu-Ray market is set to triple in 2008 (both stand-alone player sales and software sales) compared to 2007. According to research data a vast majority of PS3 owners in the US own HDTVs and watch Blu-Ray movies. With pricedrops PS3, standalone Blu-Ray player and software sales will go up.

I think a lot of negatism has to do with console fans of rival consoles, especially many 360 fans want things to be negative because it comes by default with the PS3 and not with other consoles.

You are right Rome wasn't built in a day. Not everyone will buy a HDTV, PS3 or standalone Blu-Ray player day one. DVD's unusual quick victory over VHS (just 6 years until it outsold the at the time well established format) has been widely applauded.

Well on this forum, people that tend to be positive about bluray adoption are mostly ps3 purchasers who have to justify why they are paying more for a console that thus far has not really shown any gaming advantages. Bluray is that jsutification.

 

Actually, non-PS3/Blu-ray owners who claim that most PS3 purchasers are justifying their purchase by being positive about Blu-ray are only justifying their own reasons why they have yet to by a PS3/Blu-ray player.

See, I can make general asanine statement as well.



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kitler53 on 29 September 2008

theprof00 said:
better picture - already agreed to
better sound - already agreed to
durability improvment: agreed but still rolling my eyes at you
more language tracks/more subtitles: advantage sony not me.  really just means they don't have to make as many different versions for the many regions of the world. 
BD-Live= Previews that update themselves, exclusive content addition, p2p interaction, gaming, downloads yeah i don't know anything about what features you can do online so i'll give that to you
Larger disc: you have enough space for boxsets= nobody wants more content on a smaller amount of room.

heroes season 2 boxset on dvd = 4 dics       heroes season 2 boxset br = 4 discs

http://www.amazon.com/Heroes-Season-2-Jack-Coleman/dp/B001B7CNZ6/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1222715131&sr=8-1

http://www.amazon.com/Heroes-Season-Blu-ray-Jack-Coleman/dp/B001B7CNX8/ref=pd_bbs_3?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1222715131&sr=8-3

the lack of rewinding and the duriblity increase on dvd were monumental at addressing the issues the public had with VHSs.  I'm just not seeing that increase in convience with BR and that's why i'm a fan of digital downloads (at least in theory).  I want to be able store my movies on a ipod sized device for portablility just like i do with my music (cds = fail vs mp3) and i want to have a search function - it does takes too long to find the specific movie i want to watch off my shelves of dvds.  throw in the HD video/sound improvements and i'd be a happy camper.  the cost of admission to BR is just not worth it for such a marginal upgrade in quality/convience.