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Everytime I hear someone claim that 'there is only a small difference in image quality between DVD and Blu-Ray moveis' I can't help but wonder if these people either haven't actually seen a proper comparison or if their exposure to Blu-Ray was based on an old movie or a bad screen/projector. The detail level of a modern movie on Blu-Ray and on DVD is so screamingly clear that anyone who has watched Blu-Rays for a while feel they entered blur world when they are shown SD resolution media.

But sure, when the studios release old movies which was recorded onto film back in the day and try to turn it into a Blu-Ray movie it do often not improve much over the DVD version or in some cases looks worse due to blemishes on the recorded film actually becoming more visible on the Blu-Ray version.

So I suggest people do what I do. Keep your old collection on DVD and get new movies on Blu-Ray. Also remember that you do not always need to buy, renting is also possible and much cheaper if its a 'see once' movie.



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HD-DVD is better :-p



Uraeus said:
Everytime I hear someone claim that 'there is only a small difference in image quality between DVD and Blu-Ray moveis' I can't help but wonder if these people either haven't actually seen a proper comparison or if their exposure to Blu-Ray was based on an old movie or a bad screen/projector. The detail level of a modern movie on Blu-Ray and on DVD is so screamingly clear that anyone who has watched Blu-Rays for a while feel they entered blur world when they are shown SD resolution media.

But sure, when the studios release old movies which was recorded onto film back in the day and try to turn it into a Blu-Ray movie it do often not improve much over the DVD version or in some cases looks worse due to blemishes on the recorded film actually becoming more visible on the Blu-Ray version.

So I suggest people do what I do. Keep your old collection on DVD and get new movies on Blu-Ray. Also remember that you do not always need to buy, renting is also possible and much cheaper if its a 'see once' movie.

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Uraeus said:
Everytime I hear someone claim that 'there is only a small difference in image quality between DVD and Blu-Ray moveis' I can't help but wonder if these people either haven't actually seen a proper comparison or if their exposure to Blu-Ray was based on an old movie or a bad screen/projector. The detail level of a modern movie on Blu-Ray and on DVD is so screamingly clear that anyone who has watched Blu-Rays for a while feel they entered blur world when they are shown SD resolution media.

But sure, when the studios release old movies which was recorded onto film back in the day and try to turn it into a Blu-Ray movie it do often not improve much over the DVD version or in some cases looks worse due to blemishes on the recorded film actually becoming more visible on the Blu-Ray version.

So I suggest people do what I do. Keep your old collection on DVD and get new movies on Blu-Ray. Also remember that you do not always need to buy, renting is also possible and much cheaper if its a 'see once' movie.

1080p is (roughly) 2.5 megapixels, 35mm film is (roughly) 12 megapixels ... In other words, old movies have far more detail than Blu-Ray could ever dream of displaying.

On top of that, it is not (necessarily) that people can not see the difference between upscaled DVD and 1080p video but that they really don't care about the difference. I have walked into many people's homes who still use a VCR regularly, typically recording their TV shows in the 6 hour per cassette format, which is far (FAR) lower quality than 480i; many of these people jumped onto DVD because it offered many convienience features and not because of the quality improvement, and Blu-Ray offers nothing in terms of convienience over DVD.

 



theprof00 said:
tuoyo said:

Find yourself a VCR, and pop a tape into it. After that, throw a DVD into your player, and watch it on your HDTV. When you're done with that, do me a favor, and pop a Blu-ray movie into your PS3. Notice anything shocking when comparing VHS to DVD and anything, well, disappointing when comparing that DVD movie to Blu-ray?

That's what I thought.

Why would I want to buy a Blu-ray player and Blu-ray movies, which are more expensive than DVDs, when I can get the same basic experience (if not quite as enhanced) for little or no additional cost?

 

I agree with this 100%.  The difference between VHS and DVD on a HDTV is unbelievable.  In fact VHS is unwatchable on my 6ft screen with a HD projector which is disappointing because it means I can't watch my recordings of the 2000 and 2004 Olympics anymore or the VHS movies I bought (won't waste money buying them again on DVD).  DVD on the other hand looks amazing (at least movies with quality transfers do).  In fact they look even better than HD programming from Sky HD apart from BBC HD (which is simply amazing - wish I could say the same about movies on Sky Movies HD).  However, the difference between HD DVD/Blu Ray and DVD is minimal.  I went for a Home Cinema exhibition where they were demonstrating Transformers using an 8ft wide projection screen and £6000 projector.  They played the same scene on DVD using a quality upscaling DVD player and on HD DVD using a HD DVD player.  I could barely notice the difference and certainly not a big enough difference for me to want to be paying like £15 for movies when I can get them for about £7.  My wife didn't even notice any difference at all.  And that was using an 8ft wide display with a projector which cost more than most people would spend on a car.  Obviously there is a difference but the difference for the average person doesn't justify the additional expense and doesn't come even within 50 lightyears of the difference between DVD and VHS.

It is not only resolution that is important.

do some research for christs sake. All i see on this site is: graphics don't matter!

Well, graphics don't matter. there is a whole online component to BR, and the sound quality AND video quality are better.

Plus it has more room for extra sound tracks, and other things. BR isn't just a high res DVD.

 

Are you responding to my post?  If you are I think you are either drinking Sony juice or you have a problem with reading.  I think I had this same problem with you on another Blu Ray thread (if it wasn't you then forgive me, if it was you then you are really beginning to piss me off).  Where did I talk about resolution?  Where did I talk about graphics?  I simply pointed out how the difference between VHS and DVD is like night and day on a huge HD display while on a huge display using a £6000 projector we could barely tell the difference between upscaled DVD and HD. 

 



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1080p is (roughly) 2.5 megapixels, 35mm film is (roughly) 12 megapixels ... In other words, old movies have far more detail than Blu-Ray could ever dream of displaying.
prove it, i watch old movies all the time.
old movies=grainy and blurry



not responding to you tuoyo, sorry for the confusion.



If you stick two tv's beside each other, each playing the same movie, one in DVD and one in Blu-ray, yeah there's a difference. But people don't watch movies like that. If I watch a movie on Blu-ray and then watch it again on DVD, I notice very little, if any difference.



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theprof00 said:
1080p is (roughly) 2.5 megapixels, 35mm film is (roughly) 12 megapixels ... In other words, old movies have far more detail than Blu-Ray could ever dream of displaying.
prove it, i watch old movies all the time.
old movies=grainy and blurry

I think you need to be introduced to an interesting web page: http://www.google.com

Low budget old movies often did not use 35mm cameras because film was (and still is) amazingly expensive, and you could save a lot of money by using a 16mm camera which would be (roughly) the same resolution of 1080p. Now there are visual artifacts that exist on film that do not exist in digital images, and they become clear well before the maximum detail of an image has been displayed, but these can easily be filtered out when the film is digitized in order to convert it to dvd/Blu-Ray ... There are many movies where this wasn't done for DVD because of how low budget the conversion process was, which could also be an explaination to your observation.

 



I already tried google squirrel, just because you know what to type in the search box and i don't doesn't make me an idiot. It makes you someone who doesn't source their facts. :P
even still i haven't seen one movie from my history of seeing movies that compares with some of the newer movies i've seen on BR.