This thread is completely off topic, and there's no need for us to continually try to come up with stuff to fight about...we're done with this one.

I never stated he started it now, I am questioning why he would seem enthusiastic about the same game genre he demeans on the Wii while mocking it for being infantile on the 360 or PS3.

@carlos710 saied,
"Outsite GTA4 none of those games will outsell Wii fit, mario galaxy, mario kart or smash bros brawl.
Wii wins 4 to 1. "

==> man, we just tried to focus on third party game
so plz
dont come with FIRST party nintendo game :D
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@robjoh saied
"So according to me Nintendo alone could most possible keep a market for Wii somewhere around 40-60 millions on there own games and tons of second class (in like not known names) 3rd party support. Without any 3rd party support the sales will slow down.
I also think it is strange that people belives that those 30k japanese that buys Wii Sport every week will rather buy PES2008/GTA, for me it doesn't sound as the same crowd. "

==> in japan, u are right,
but in europe ?
in PAL ?
in NA ?
in all these countries where realistic mature game (GTA4) and sports game (madden/PES) are strong, what Wii exclusive third party game can do ?
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Nintendo needs a strong third party support to get a more varied list of games and for the moment, they are not here because the shift from devellopper is too recent (DonWii's posts)

Another, "Where are the games Nintendo?" Thread, lol. The Sony fanboys are really desperate to play up the E3 for the PS3, I guess its all they have now... sad... Sigh...

If this was such a legitimate thread to begin with why wasn't it put in the Nintendo thread, or was the OP afraid they might get banned for trolling?

Changes in suport were anounced very recently, so let's look at some events that have been anounced since then.  We Love Katamari had it's PS3 version canceled for a Wii version, Square Enix anounced that they will make no more new PS3 games until sales are "satisfactory" tagging that with increased Nintendo support, and more Wii games were anounced than PS3 and 360 games combined.  I don't know what else you want?  So Pro Evolution Soccer skips Wii, but more popular games like Fifa (well as popular on this one), Madden, and Guitar Hero anounce Wii games.  Why have games been skipping the PS3 as of late?  Bee Movie is on all systems but the PS3, as is Tomb Raider Anniversary.

But, as you pointed out, it's my belief that most of these games began development more than a year ago (Pro Evo Soccer as well).  I think the rate of decline of PS3 and 360 game anouncements shows this very clearly.  

I've answered the PC question many times as well, but I'll repeat it here for you.

I'm not especially fond of the violence inherent in Team Fortress, Starcraft, or Warcraft. But there are two reasons I play games: for relaxing fun with my girlfriend/family, and for skill when I'm alone. Those are my personal two reasons. This is also why I specifically said that Ninja Gaiden Sigma was the ultimate reason to own a PS3 (and game pad) in your own thread: that is a game that can be played for skill.

I'd certainly prefer that professional gaming started having less games about killing each other, but as of right now, that's really not an option. There are very few skill based games in existance that are competitive multiplayer games. I can either play Starcraft/CS/TF/UT/Warcraft, or I can not play games professionally at all. 

If I want to play with my family, I can play the Wii. If I want to earn money, I will play my PC. My problem is that, generally speaking, the 360/PS3 have all the downsides of the PC for me (heavy violence) combined with all the downsides of the Wii (not particularly skill-oriented). The games are violent and not particularly skill oriented.

But I have -- specifically and routinely -- pointed out games that I do like for the PS3/360, and I think it shows my consistency. I said I liked Ninja Gaiden Sigma; I also like Virtua Fighter a great deal; I have several times (including in this thread) shown my affection for Afrika and Little Big Planet.

Those are games that are either highly skilled or family oriented. If PS3/360 games fit either of those descriptions, I will certainly say that I personally enjoy them, but most games for those two systems are not -- especially the flagship titles, such as God of War and Heavenly Sword.

EVERYBODY BE COOL......YOU BE COOL.

wow..... its been a long long time since I was happy to be at work, why don´t people just define what they are talking about and state their arguments for or against sayed theory, I´m not going to throw names around but I´m very dissapinted with some of you...... bad VGchartz members.....bad bad bad

now lighten up, we are all (pretending to be) intelligent people here...don´t make us go through group threapy again (how do third paries make you feel ???)  

Many around here seem to make a great deal between the quantity and quality of the games, based on the fact that second aspect is purely subjective.

But is it ?

Video Games are still far from being art (a 100% subjective place). If you see a game which is ugly, with awfull slowdown, poor control, terrible camera... You're going to call it bad.
At some point, technical standard are very present and are often the base around a common consensus around games quality.

Granted, quality do not always reflect in sales (sometimes quite the opposite), but talking about "support", I do believe quality is a valid argument.

To me, there is a huge difference in "support" between a developer with a specific project requiring a lot of ressources, both financialy and creatively speaking (like No More Heroes or SC Legends, Wiki) that can breed a great games, and a developer with a small "easy" projects/conversions like Jenga. And the latest case is quite the generality, currently.

Support is a matter of putting ressources behind some products.
And even if the Wii got much more games (and, by the wiimote effect, original ones), publishers obviously put far more money and effort behind PS360. Remember a single PS360 project can easily cost twice (or far more) a Wii project.

In fact, considering the history of makers and sales curves, it's even stronger than that.
Because on one hand, 3rd Party are driving the sells of PS360 and their support is huge because vital to theses market (their market).
But on the other hand, the Wii sells are mainly (and not 50/50 but rather 80/20) due to Nintendo games. So right now, the behavior of many publisher/developer looks like "let's make a quick little game and get the crumbles of Nintendo's share".

To me, such list show the Wii is getting a very, very "shy" support from 3rd parties, far from what we could be expecting (for instance, the support of 3rd P on DS).
From this point, Nintendo still got a problem.

Dang you guys take forever to post hehe.