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Words Of Wisdom said:
TWRoO said:

Regarding Nintendo: I have bought and enjoyed 8 of their games in less than 2 years, and if I had the money I could have bought and enjoyed at least 8 more. 16 games in 2 years is perfectly fine for most people, so either you enjoy fewer genres of games than me or you stop playing games after you had them a month for some reason... and therefore any sizable gap in games you want results in no playtime at all. I meanwhile am still playing Mario Kart and Battalion Wars 2 (both bought in April).

Regarding third parties: I probably could name 16 games I want from the past 2 years of third parties too, admitedly the fact that a number of third parties can't grab my interest much more than Nintendo alone does prove they haven't been great for the Wii, but there are still some excellent games out there.

I'm glad you have such broad and diverse tastes and it's also nice that you're still enjoying games that came out last October and April.

If you're fine with waiting 6 months to a year for games then more power to you.  I'm not and I'm not into buying bad games and convincing myself they're good because there's nothing else to buy either.  >_<

BWii didn't release here till 2008 (february I think) but I didn't buy it till late April.

I haven't bought a bad game since the N64 (2-3 titles I bought were poor, because I didn't read reviews/use the internet then)

But my point was, they have release a large number of quality games, just because they release close together doesn't mean they only release one every 5 months.

 



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RolStoppable said:

If you would really be in need of new good games, you would own Mario Kart Wii by now. Yesterday you told me that you still haven't found it in stores, but then again you weren't really trying hard to get it yet. Which means, the games you currently own must still be interesting enough for you, otherwise you would put more effort into finding and purchasing Mario Kart Wii.

Or you think that Mario Kart Wii just isn't that good of a game. In that case, I hope you burn in hell.

Hmmm... Snooty Kim?  Stormy Kim is still better.

And you're right, the games I have do interest me (that's why I have them).  Of course, if I depended solely on my Wii for entertainment, I'd be more outspoken than I am.  ^_~

I'll pick up Mario Kart Wii when I find it.  Until then I'll just have to survive without it.



Nintendo has had a (fairly) steady pace of releasing a game every 4 to 6 weeks, with the majority of those titles being of some interest the the majority of gamers. Hypothetically speaking, they could increase the rate of their game releases but that would (probably) have a very negative impact on third party game sales; Imagine what would happen if Nintendo released a game every couple of weeks with a "Major" game at least every month to 6 weeks.



It makes sense that Nintendo is focussing on trying to get some big third-party games out for the core gamer this holiday, while they themselves focus on casual (Wii Music) and bridge (Animal Crossing). While they make these games, the third parties put out Force Unleashed, Clone Wars, Call of Duty, Quantum of Solace, Disaster: Day of Crisis, Fatal Frame, etc.

I'm actually sitting in my Marketing class right now, and I just learned that it costs 7-8 times as much for a company to gain a new customer than to keep an old one.



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thekitchensink said:
It makes sense that Nintendo is focussing on trying to get some big third-party games out for the core gamer this holiday, while they themselves focus on casual (Wii Music) and bridge (Animal Crossing). While they make these games, the third parties put out Force Unleashed, Clone Wars, Call of Duty, Quantum of Solace, Disaster: Day of Crisis, Fatal Frame, etc.

I'm actually sitting in my Marketing class right now, and I just learned that it costs 7-8 times as much for a company to gain a new customer than to keep an old one.

Nintendo owns those IP's I believe.

 



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Meh I swear some of you nitwits would actually be happier if they'd delayed Mario Kart until November. :p

The problem isn't Nintendo not putting out enough first-party stuff, it's the third parties not putting out enough stuff combined with most people not buying or not interested in the good stuff that is out there.



SmokedHostage said:
thekitchensink said:
It makes sense that Nintendo is focussing on trying to get some big third-party games out for the core gamer this holiday, while they themselves focus on casual (Wii Music) and bridge (Animal Crossing). While they make these games, the third parties put out Force Unleashed, Clone Wars, Call of Duty, Quantum of Solace, Disaster: Day of Crisis, Fatal Frame, etc.

I'm actually sitting in my Marketing class right now, and I just learned that it costs 7-8 times as much for a company to gain a new customer than to keep an old one.

Nintendo owns those IP's I believe.

 

Fair enough, I think you're right (at least with FF), but you see my point.  They are putting lots of effort into both areas, but in order to get equal sales results from both extremes, they need to market to the non-gamer much more heavily.

 

For example, Wii Fit gets marketed to no end in magazines, lifestyle TV, internet, everywhere.  It's perceived by core gamers that this is taking away ad space from 'their' games, and thus Nintendo is abandoning them.  However, Wii Fit and Super Smash Bros Brawl have sold roughly the same amount worldwide (or at least they're on the same level as one another).

To repeat, Wii Fit got much more advertising than Brawl, and yet their sales numbers are on the same plane.  This is because they marketed WF to new consumers, and had to spend 7-8 times as much to make the product known and relevant.

 



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Nintendo released roughly 14 or 15 core games from 2006 to 2008 thats roughly 1.2 games 1.6 games every month, we should be wondering what third party has delivered Nintendo level games even half that ammount since launch.

Every developer intends to make the best game they can, especially if they are living off cup-o-noodles, but Nintendo has been doing this for almost 35 years now, they have that advantage, especially with Iwata and Shigeru at the helm.

They have a business plan settled and they have a man who's been doing this thing forever now and not only is he good at it but he also understands what he does.

Not many companies can add up to that.



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TWRoO said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
TWRoO said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
Metroid Prime 3 Corruption - 8/27/07
Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn - 11/5/07
Super Mario Galaxy - 11/12/07
Super Smash Bros. Brawl - 3/9/08
Mario Kart Wii - 4/27/08

The last game released by Nintendo for the Wii that interested me was released almost 5 months ago.

That's worth complaining about IMO.

I wish I could name a publisher that brings out a game I want every 5 months.

I know.  I have trouble naming good 3rd party publishers for the Wii as well.  If I could I wouldn't be waiting on Nintendo for most all the really interesting titles.

Nice... but I guess you knew I wasn't talking about the Wii only.

With the huge budgets of PS360 games it's taking 2-3 years just to bring out a new game, never mind enough that everyone will like at least 1 game every 5 months.

Regarding Nintendo: I have bought and enjoyed 8 of their games in less than 2 years, and if I had the money I could have bought and enjoyed at least 8 more. 16 games in 2 years is perfectly fine for most people, so either you enjoy fewer genres of games than me or you stop playing games after you had them a month for some reason... and therefore any sizable gap in games you want results in no playtime at all. I meanwhile am still playing Mario Kart and Battalion Wars 2 (both bought in April).

Regarding third parties: I probably could name 16 games I want from the past 2 years of third parties too, admitedly the fact that a number of third parties can't grab my interest much more than Nintendo alone does prove they haven't been great for the Wii, but there are still some excellent games out there.

 

The problem was that before I could finish enjoying MP3, Galaxy came out.  Then Mario Kart, then Brawl.  And there was Mario Strikers and Mario & Sonic thrown in somewhere in between and Zelda before.  But after Brawl there is a huge gap.  I will get Disaster Day of Crisis to fill in the gap but after that it doesn't look like there is anything coming anytime soon.  The next game will probably be Pikmin 3 and we all know that is not anytime soon.  Yes Nintendo doesn't reveal games a long time in advance but we all know Pikmin or any other core game after Disaster is a long way off.  3rd parties should be filling the gap but they seem to be block heads.  Maybe Nintendo should have spaced their main games out a bit more so that we could have had either Metroid, Mario Kart, Brawl or Galaxy to look forward to this Christmas instead of Animal Crossing.

 



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tuoyo said:
TWRoO said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
TWRoO said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
Metroid Prime 3 Corruption - 8/27/07
Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn - 11/5/07
Super Mario Galaxy - 11/12/07
Super Smash Bros. Brawl - 3/9/08
Mario Kart Wii - 4/27/08

The last game released by Nintendo for the Wii that interested me was released almost 5 months ago.

That's worth complaining about IMO.

I wish I could name a publisher that brings out a game I want every 5 months.

I know.  I have trouble naming good 3rd party publishers for the Wii as well.  If I could I wouldn't be waiting on Nintendo for most all the really interesting titles.

Nice... but I guess you knew I wasn't talking about the Wii only.

With the huge budgets of PS360 games it's taking 2-3 years just to bring out a new game, never mind enough that everyone will like at least 1 game every 5 months.

Regarding Nintendo: I have bought and enjoyed 8 of their games in less than 2 years, and if I had the money I could have bought and enjoyed at least 8 more. 16 games in 2 years is perfectly fine for most people, so either you enjoy fewer genres of games than me or you stop playing games after you had them a month for some reason... and therefore any sizable gap in games you want results in no playtime at all. I meanwhile am still playing Mario Kart and Battalion Wars 2 (both bought in April).

Regarding third parties: I probably could name 16 games I want from the past 2 years of third parties too, admitedly the fact that a number of third parties can't grab my interest much more than Nintendo alone does prove they haven't been great for the Wii, but there are still some excellent games out there.

 

The problem was that before I could finish enjoying MP3, Galaxy came out.  Then Mario Kart, then Brawl.  And there was Mario Strikers and Mario & Sonic thrown in somewhere in between and Zelda before.  But after Brawl there is a huge gap.  I will get Disaster Day of Crisis to fill in the gap but after that it doesn't look like there is anything coming anytime soon.  The next game will probably be Pikmin 3 and we all know that is not anytime soon.  Yes Nintendo doesn't reveal games a long time in advance but we all know Pikmin or any other core game after Disaster is a long way off.  3rd parties should be filling the gap but they seem to be block heads.  Maybe Nintendo should have spaced their main games out a bit more so that we could have had either Metroid, Mario Kart, Brawl or Galaxy to look forward to this Christmas instead of Animal Crossing.

 

Well you could always go back and finish enjoying them now.... Christ I sometimes didn't buy a new GameCube game for a whole year but I still enjoyed the games I had instead. Many people don't seem to play their games to their full capacity.

Or perhaps instead you could buy a third party offering during this time of "Nintendo drought" .... While all those great games were releasing there were very few decent third party games indeed. (a few from Capcom, EA and Konami being the ones shining through) Now however there are many good third party games out now, or coming soon... or you could buy some you didn't earlier on.

According to your games page, your Wii collection has already caught up to your GameCube collection, and I will presume you sold some N64 games and didn't add them because you only show 9 for it. (My games page shows all games I ever owned... minus a couple of Megadrive games I can't remember)