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HappySqurriel on 24 September 2008
madskillz said:
bigjon said:
The Democrats turned it Political the second they decided that should pin it on Bush/ Mccain.

Also, Madskillz you said you were a christian? So why are you saying things like Jesus juice? I find that confusing.

Help me out, BJ. Didn't Bush and Co. vote to dereg Wall St.? If so, they allowed this foolishness to go down.

I don't blame WiiFit - I blame Bush/Cheney/McCain 08.

And you still didn't answer my question - why you are sooooooo against Obama. Thanks.

 

 

The deregulation that was most directly related to the current financial crysis was the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933 which happened in 1999, and was agreed upon by both Bill Clinton and the Republican controlled congress. In other words, if you want to blame deregulation both parties would be guilty ...

 

Edit: I personally don't believe that deregulation was the only factor leading to this situation ... The deregulation of the financial system would have not been all that bad if the banks underwriting principles didn't change; unfortunately, the combination of greed in wallstreet and changes in mortgage law pushed forward by Bill Clinton meant that people who could not pay back mortgages were able to receive them. When you combine these factors with the Federal Reserve's insanely low interest rates disaster was going to strike.



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akuma587 on 24 September 2008
madskillz said:

In the wake of last week’s financial meltdown, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) has been calling for more regulation and criticizing lax oversight of Wall Street, despite the fact that he and former senator Phil Gramm passed much of the deregulatory reforms that led to the current crisis. Interviewed on CBS today, however, McCain said he does not “regret” championing the deregulation of Wall Street:

Q: In 1999, you were one of the senators who helped pass deregulation of Wall Street. Do you regret that now?

McCAIN: No. I think the deregulation was probably helpful to the growth of our economy.

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/21/mccain-deregulation/

 

Take your facts and get the hell out of here mister!  Shame on you for not rushing to defend McCain when he wanted to get rid of the legislation he passed in the first place!  I mean obviously you can just take things back once you have passed them, right?

 



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bigjon on 24 September 2008
azrm2k said:
bigjon said:

Why do I dislike Obama so?

I think he is an empty suite. I was originally thinking about voting for him because I wanted a fresh face. I heard his speeches about a post-partison era. I was liking it. So then I studied him and learn about the real barack. He is a regular old down the line partison hardball politician. But he tries to sell himself as something completely different, and he gets away with it for the most part due to the media always portaying him in the best light possible. I also resent that. Why the heck are 300 or whatever reporters in Wassila AK, trying to dig up smuck on Palin? Why don't they split their forces and go to chicago and talk about his past dirty politics, reverend white, Aiers, he has some much "shady" stuff true or not they could get great ratings... but they don't. The biggest thing is I hate Party Politics, and Obama is one of the worst in Washinton, he voted 97% along party lines and was rated in 07 as the most liberal senator in congress. To make things worse he is basically a european socialist, so he is f'd up on the economy and he has a very extreme view on abortion.

 

Wow.  So much to digest there. 

You're honestly complaining that the media hasn't focused enough on Obama's connections to Rev. Wright, Ayers, and Rezko?  Obama's skeletons have been beaten to death for months and the attention is only now shifting to Palin because we didn't even know who she was a couple of months ago.  I highly doubt even 75% of Americans would be able to tell you who Sarah Palin was before she was chosen to be VP.

The "300 or whatever reporters" aren't neccessarily trying to "dig up smuck" on Palin.  They're trying to find out who the hell she is.  Since being introduced to the national scene she's had two legit interviews with Gibson and Couric.  Hannity basically lectured to her and waited for her to nod affirmatively to whatever he was saying.  For somebody who could become President of the United States and be put in to a major position of power on the global scene in just a few months we still know very little about her. 

There wouldn't be such an effort to find out about her if she was allowed to actually talk to the press.  Actually, scratch that.  Having a vice presidential candidate talk to the press is too much to ask and to insist on it would probably be foolish.  Can we at least get cameras near her for high profile meetings with foreign dignitaries?  The "No Talk Express" is responsible for the witch hunt into Palin's life.

I watched the Gibson and Hannity interviews, I got the impression he was trying to trip her up. I thought Hannity's interviews was good. It was not as much to see how she handles getting beaten with tough questions but rather for the viewers to get to know more about her. It was more personal.

I thought the Difference between the way Gibson interviewed Palin and Obama was so different it was funny. He was asking Palin about the Bush doctrine, war with Russia, and what not... he was asking Obama how he feels to be the first Black nominee... He softballed Obama so much compared to Palin it was laughable. I thought Oreilly gave Obama a good interview, and Obama did not do too bad, he stammered a bit, but he did appear strong.

 



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bigjon on 24 September 2008
akuma587 said:
madskillz said:
 

In the wake of last week’s financial meltdown, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) has been calling for more regulation and criticizing lax oversight of Wall Street, despite the fact that he and former senator Phil Gramm passed much of the deregulatory reforms that led to the current crisis. Interviewed on CBS today, however, McCain said he does not “regret” championing the deregulation of Wall Street:

Q: In 1999, you were one of the senators who helped pass deregulation of Wall Street. Do you regret that now?

McCAIN: No. I think the deregulation was probably helpful to the growth of our economy.

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/21/mccain-deregulation/

 

Take your facts and get the hell out of here mister!  Shame on you for not rushing to defend McCain when he wanted to get rid of the legislation he passed in the first place!  I mean obviously you can just take things back once you have passed them, right?

 

yea, why don't you mention that Bubba signed that baby into law... no,no, no, it was all mccain. And by the way the man who was the head of treasury at that time said there was no correlation between that law and the current economic troubles. Also he was a democrat (I am just applying your Carl Rove logic).

 



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theprof00 on 24 September 2008

big jon use factcheck.org for god's sake!
(erm i was er just mocking you tone fyii)
the second i is for igloo :P

ot:also it seems like everything you say is wrong. that's kind of a generalization, but you start out well, and then finish with something that never happened, and i'm too tired to prove it. GNIGHT America! God Save Us All!!!



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whatever on 24 September 2008

This is just plain dumb. What if the financial crisis continues or even worsens over the next 6 weeks? Would this mean no debates? Should we postpone the election?

Now is the perfect time to have a debate. You would never have more people watch and actually try to make an informed decision based on ISSUES, not personalities.



madskillz on 24 September 2008
HappySqurriel said:
madskillz said:
bigjon said:
The Democrats turned it Political the second they decided that should pin it on Bush/ Mccain.

Also, Madskillz you said you were a christian? So why are you saying things like Jesus juice? I find that confusing.

Help me out, BJ. Didn't Bush and Co. vote to dereg Wall St.? If so, they allowed this foolishness to go down.

I don't blame WiiFit - I blame Bush/Cheney/McCain 08.

And you still didn't answer my question - why you are sooooooo against Obama. Thanks.

 

 

The deregulation that was most directly related to the current financial crysis was the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933 which happened in 1999, and was agreed upon by both Bill Clinton and the Republican controlled congress. In other words, if you want to blame deregulation both parties would be guilty ...

 

Edit: I personally don't believe that deregulation was the only factor leading to this situation ... The deregulation of the financial system would have not been all that bad if the banks underwriting principles didn't change; unfortunately, the combination of greed in wallstreet and changes in mortgage law pushed forward by Bill Clinton meant that people who could not pay back mortgages were able to receive them. When you combine these factors with the Federal Reserve's insanely low interest rates disaster was going to strike.

Not just deregulation, but flat out greed. These clowns had no accountabilitiy - and honestly, McCain praises Fiorina - Carleton - who left HP with $42M after slashing 7,000 jobs at HP. And he praised her for it.

I do think the seeds were planted by Clinton, but the Bush admin throttled things along.

Excellent points, btw. Not just rambling proganda, but well thought out statements. Bravo.

 



bigjon on 24 September 2008
akuma587 said:
Even McCain was getting sick of the Jeremiah Wright stuff. He tried to stop ads from being run about it by private groups.

Obama was pretty browbeated by the media during the primaries, so they just ran out of stuff to blow out of proportion. Palin got so much criticism because her political record is pretty thin, no other reason. Republicans who cried foul on sexism claims would have played the sexism card so bad if Hillary would have been the nominee.

 

 So now we are going to talk about playing cards? Lets talk about how Obama is trying to play the racism card. I like that one. The only problem is that it is only the democrats even mentioning it. Obama himself won't shut up about it. He keeps saying crap like "there gonna try and scare you and I don't look like the guys on the currency". I have heard quotes of a least 5 democrats pulling the racist card.. but the Republicans have not even mentioned it.

Who care what happened in the primaries, maybe the Media outlets thought Hilary was better, but once she lost they moved over to Obamawagon. There was a poll recently that said 70(or 75)% of people thought that the media was advocating a certain canidate, and 80% of those said they thought it was Obama. So that leaves us with a vast majority of people believing the media is trying to get Obama elected. I am too tired and lazy to find the link... but it does exist.



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360- 37 million   Should trend down slightly after 3rd year peak

PS3- 29 million  Sales should pick up next year, 3rd year peak and price cut

Aiemond on 24 September 2008
bigjon said:
azrm2k said:
bigjon said:

Why do I dislike Obama so?

I think he is an empty suite. I was originally thinking about voting for him because I wanted a fresh face. I heard his speeches about a post-partison era. I was liking it. So then I studied him and learn about the real barack. He is a regular old down the line partison hardball politician. But he tries to sell himself as something completely different, and he gets away with it for the most part due to the media always portaying him in the best light possible. I also resent that. Why the heck are 300 or whatever reporters in Wassila AK, trying to dig up smuck on Palin? Why don't they split their forces and go to chicago and talk about his past dirty politics, reverend white, Aiers, he has some much "shady" stuff true or not they could get great ratings... but they don't. The biggest thing is I hate Party Politics, and Obama is one of the worst in Washinton, he voted 97% along party lines and was rated in 07 as the most liberal senator in congress. To make things worse he is basically a european socialist, so he is f'd up on the economy and he has a very extreme view on abortion.

 

Wow. So much to digest there.

You're honestly complaining that the media hasn't focused enough on Obama's connections to Rev. Wright, Ayers, and Rezko? Obama's skeletons have been beaten to death for months and the attention is only now shifting to Palin because we didn't even know who she was a couple of months ago. I highly doubt even 75% of Americans would be able to tell you who Sarah Palin was before she was chosen to be VP.

The "300 or whatever reporters" aren't neccessarily trying to "dig up smuck" on Palin. They're trying to find out who the hell she is. Since being introduced to the national scene she's had two legit interviews with Gibson and Couric. Hannity basically lectured to her and waited for her to nod affirmatively to whatever he was saying. For somebody who could become President of the United States and be put in to a major position of power on the global scene in just a few months we still know very little about her.

There wouldn't be such an effort to find out about her if she was allowed to actually talk to the press. Actually, scratch that. Having a vice presidential candidate talk to the press is too much to ask and to insist on it would probably be foolish. Can we at least get cameras near her for high profile meetings with foreign dignitaries? The "No Talk Express" is responsible for the witch hunt into Palin's life.

I watched the Gibson and Hannity interviews, I got the impression he was trying to trip her up. I thought Hannity's interviews was good. It was not as much to see how she handles getting beaten with tough questions but rather for the viewers to get to know more about her. It was more personal.

I thought the Difference between the way Gibson interviewed Palin and Obama was so different it was funny. He was asking Palin about the Bush doctrine, war with Russia, and what not... he was asking Obama how he feels to be the first Black nominee... He softballed Obama so much compared to Palin it was laughable. I thought Oreilly gave Obama a good interview, and Obama did not do too bad, he stammered a bit, but he did appear strong.

 

 

Well, to be fair, the hannity interview was softball too. It barely took anything to fuddler her in the couric interview tonight. It took her what, 10 seconds to respond to the second question about Rick Davis.  Then she said the exact same thing even though it did not answer the question. Plus, she could not name one other time josn mccain supported deregulation other than 2005. She said she'd get back on that lol.



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akuma587 on 24 September 2008
bigjon said:

yea, why don't you mention that Bubba signed that baby into law... no,no, no, it was all mccain. And by the way the man who was the head of treasury at that time said there was no correlation between that law and the current economic troubles. Also he was a democrat (I am just applying your Carl Rove logic).

 

I agree in the sense that it really doesn't matter anyways who caused the problem, as both parties had a substantial hand in it.  Republicans may have had a slightly larger hand for the sole reason that they controlled Congress for a pretty long period of time.  Clinton did sign the deregulation into law.

Hindsight is 20/20, so it is hard to blame either party for something that wasn't entirely foreseeable.  Republicans had a majority in Congress too when McCain couldn't re-regulate (sounds so weird), so the Republican party didn't warm up to the idea either.

I just don't think McCain suspending his campaign is going to do any good for the American public, and may even cause more harm than good by turning this into a political battle.  I think it is a politically calculated move more than anything.  I think McCain is a good guy, but the intentions behind suspending his campaign are mixed at best.

 

 



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It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson