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tuoyo said:
I find it rather interesting (or what I really mean is riculously stupid) that there are three pages of text debating whether Wii is in the same gen as PS360. Actually 2 pages. The first page was just PS360 owners flaming the opening poster for reasons only known to them. To end this stupidity I am pasting the 1st definition of generation from dictionary.com:

"the entire body of individuals born and living at about the same time".

Generation is defined by time. Fanboys get this into your head. If I am only stronger than my dad or of the same strength it does not make me the same generation as him.

I think this thread has become so full of stupidity that I am not going to bother coming back to read the nonsense some people are spitting out.

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leo-j said:
Showertea said:
So, my question is as follows: How can the wii be 'underpowered' when it's the best selling system. Obviously, for 47.1% of consumers, the Wii isn't underpowered. Maybe the PS3 and 360 are overpowered?

 

 Then obviously those consumers think the wii=ps360.

 

Actually most people that arent gamers believe the wii has the same visuals as the PS3 and 360 just at a lower price, I find that very funny.


People other than gamers know the wii is not close when it comes to graphics compared to ps360. new gamers this gen probably bought it for the sweet motion controls. quit saying bullshit just to defend ps3

Paul_Warren said:
Now the argument can be made that the Wii is part of the current generation because it was the next Nintendo after the Gamecube. And I will admit that the whole generation thing seems like a new concept to me because I only heard the term about six months ago when I was looking up obscure consoles like Banadai's Playdia and the Supergrafx and the PC-FX and stumbled upon a website that sorted these systems into generations. However going by the old standards of grouping that I'm familiar with 8-bit, 16-bit, 32-bit, 124-bit, the Wii is more like the most powerful 124 (or Dreamcast, PS2) era console than it is like a current gen console that has multiple, unified processors, etc.

Nintendo:

Nes - 8 bit (3rd generation)

SNES - 32 bit (4th generation)

N64 - 64 bit (5th generation)

GC - 32/64 bit hybrid (6th generation)

Wii - 32/64 bit hybrid (7th generation)

 

Sega:

Master System - 8 bit (3rd generation)

Genesis/MegaDrive - 16 bit (4th generation

Saturn - 32 bit (5th generation)

Dreamcast - 64/128 but hybrid (6th generation)

 

Sony:

PS - 32 bit (5th generation)

PS2 - 128 bit (6th generation)

PS3 - 32/64/128 bit (7th generation)

 

MS:

Xbox - 32/64 bit hybrid (6th generation)

X360 - 32/64/128 bit hybrid (7th generation)

 

Bit depth doesn't define a generation.   Once you hit 32 bits, you no longer quantify power in those terms because many other factors become more prominant.  For example, Windows has been 32 bit for quite a long time.  A 64 bit version is available but it hardly has much advantage above the 32 bit version (allocating more than 4 GB of RAM being the biggest real benefit).

 

Paul_Warren said:
The Nintendo NES had an 8 bit processor, the Genesis and SNES had 16 bit processors, and the PSX and Saturn had 32 bit processors. Why is it such a big deal if the Wii is a sixth or seventh gen console anyway?

And the N64 had a 64 bit processor.  Are you suggesting the N64 was a generation ahead of the Saturn and PS? 

It's a big deal because calling it 6th gen is just flat out false.   That's like saying big deal if I call the sky orange when it's blue.  Be my guest but you'd still be wrong.  You didn't like me calling you a kid when you aren't, did you?

 

Paul_Warren said:


"Generation is defined by time. Fanboys get this into your head. If I am only stronger than my dad or of the same strength it does not make me the same generation as him."

Well, if you were a video game console and your predecessor had an 8 bit chip and you have an 8 bit chip but all the other consoles on the market have 16 bit chips, then are you a 16 bit system? Actually here is an example of just that Atari had three eight bit systems, the 2600, the 5200, and the 7800. The 5200 and 7800 came out after the 2600, but they were all in the same gen.

The Atari 2600 and 5200 were in the same generation (2nd generation) but the Atari 7800 was a 3rd generation console.

First generation (1972–1977)
Second generation (1976–1984)
Third generation (1983–1992)
Fourth generation (1987–1996)
Fifth generation (1993–2002)
Sixth generation (1998–2006)
Seventh generation (2005–)

 

Paul_Warren said:

Well, then I hope it gets some more good games soon. Regardless of sales failed versions of Mario Kart and Metroid Prime

 

Failed versions?  By what regard?

 

 

 

 



The rEVOLution is not being televised

I LOVE GOOD GRAPHICS

I HATE THE WII


ANY CONNECTIONS?



ollie3650 said:
I LOVE GOOD GRAPHICS

I HATE THE WII


ANY CONNECTIONS?

Yes, you wrote both in CAPS.

 



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Fail is huge with this thread. I can not believe it has been allowed to rack up over 100 responses.



Another way to look at the "power" arguments for generations would be to look at the meaningful (game altering) software technologies that are possible on a system ...

If you look at the vast majority of PS3 and XBox 360 games the vast majority of the software technologies are only very minor upgrades over what was possible on the Wii or on previous generation hardware; in ways I would say that the gameplay mechanics changed more from the jump from the Playstation to the N64 than they have from the Dreamcast to the PS3.

What this means is that there is only a handful of games for the PS3 and XBox 360 that really demonstrate a generational jump in anything other than graphics, but these games are offset by the number of games for the Wii that demonstrate a generational jump in controls.

Certainly, as the generation progresses developers will probably use the hardware more efficiently and produce more advanced gameplay altering technologies ... At the same time the release of Wii MotionPlus combined with the new focus on the Wii from developers means that the HD consoles new gameplay altering technologies will be matched by gameplay altering controls on the Wii.

 



Yeah, I agree it has more to do with "game altering software" than simple graphics upgrades. You'll notice that the 2nd generation spans a long time, and was probably two generations at one point, but later it was combined because the changes that seemed significant at the time really aren't when compared with the future of gaming.

In the future, I think the 3rd & 4th gens will be combined, as the software wasn't extremely different between SNES and NES, SMS and Genesis.

5th gen marked the move to 3D, which definitely deserves a new generation as it was a significant leap, 6th gen was just a graphics upgrade. I'd combine them as well.

Aside from Wii, 7th gen so far has only seen graphics upgrades to existing franchises. Every big game is just another notch in a series. In 20 years people will probably move 360 and PS3 into 6th gen, noting their lack of serious motion controls.



PC + Wii owners unite.  Our last-gen dying platforms have access to nearly every 90+ rated game this gen.  Building a PC that visually outperforms PS360 is cheap and easy.    Oct 7th 2010 predictions (made Dec 17th '08)
PC: 10^9
Wii: 10^8

Paul_Warren said:

1st:  Games like Coleco's Pac-Man and Galaxian, Tomy's Tron, and Nintendo's Game and Watch (like consoles prior to the 2600 they were mostly one game wired into a handheld without cartridges.  Sometimes there were more games wired in like Merlin and little computers like Quiz Whiz that allowed one to plug in modules that in no way resemble traditional games).

2nd: GB (I remember back in the day some people used to play 2600 games on black and white tvs)

3rd: GBC (comparable to NES)

4th: GBA (comparable to SNES)

5th: DS (comparable to N64)

6th PSP (Comparable to PS2)

 

 gba was actually 32 bit, so it was comparable to a psone.



"gba was actually 32 bit, so it was comparable to a psone."

GBA = 5th
DS = 6th
PSP = 7th
Wii = 7th
360 & PS3 = 8th.



My most anticipated games:  Whatever Hideo Kojima is going to do next, Final Fantasy XIII, Final Fantasy Versus XIII, Gran Turismo 5, Alan Wake, Wii Sports Resort.  Cave Story Wiiware.

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