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Dgc1808 on 23 September 2008
Xen said:
The importance of JRPG's somehow changed with the bulk of them appearing on the 360. Back in the 4th-6th they would decide the console war in Japan... see PS1 vs N64 in Japan, see how badly the SNES beat the Megadrive, and see how monolithic the PS2 is in Japan, its massive JRPG content still sells it.

But with the 360, things changed. Japan doesn't seem to want a non-Japanese console, no matter how many good JRPG's are on it. IMO - 2... Lost Odyssey & Tales of Vesperia... I'd consider a 360 for these 2. Can't say much about Star Ocean yet. Because the 360 is unpopular, and will never be popular (be a realist, Takashi Sensui), it may seem to you that they lost their importance, as they don't sell as well as before. I can assure you that they would do far better on the PS3, and the boosts the PS3 would recieve from them would be bigger... after all, it's a Japanese console with a huge legacy of JRPG titles...

On a personal note, this generation is turning out rather bad IMO. Ever since playing my first JRPG (FFX - I was 13), I decide the value of a console in part by the number and quality of JRPG's it has. This gen, every console has few/none... unlike past gens. I still have lots from prevous gens that I didn't play... but... knowing that the JRPG genre is shrinking is bad.

 

Am going with all of this as my answer. Anything BOLDED was an edit by me.



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Picko on 23 September 2008
Kasz216 said:

I think you have cause and effect backwords DJMeister.

The big JRPGs went to the console that sold best.

They were in a big lurch this time around because they thought the PS3 was going to win. But it didn't... and it's really behind in Japan where a good RPG selling machine should.

While Wii has yet to show it could sell JRPGS in massive numbers (it probably could considering the japanese base but the N64 and Cube were very short on RPGS.)

With all this doubt... when given a check to put RPGs exclusivly on 360 why wouldn't you?

 

The "FF7 won the battle for PS1" thing really is a bit of a misnomer.... PS1 had already won.

This post is the best in the thread.

I think we do have a cause and effect problem here. It wasn't the JRPGs which caused a console to win, it was the console that won being successful enough to sell the JRPGs. Afterall, JRPGs are typically a niche market and therefore a large install base can be very beneficial.

The possible exception is FFVII, which if my memory serves me correctly did kill off the Saturn in Japan and the N64 out west.

 



 
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celine on 23 September 2008

JRPG have hit a hard spot similar to what happen to point 'n' click adventure in mid '90.
The investment to made the xpensive assets of a grand scale adventure are so big that only few company could produce them.
Not only that but the genre seems had slow down in Japan ( the most important market for them ) and never really pick up in the west with some exception like FF, KH or Pokemon ( the latter is famous to have frugal presentation is a similar fashion to DQ ).
The only company that can afford to produce these expensive games is SE because it has the brand name to afford the risk.
The other "major" recently attempts are all funded by one fisrt party.

So no wonder the DS is becoming the new house for the genre.



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Riachu on 23 September 2008
celine said:
JRPG have hit a hard spot similar to what happen to point 'n' click adventure in mid '90.
The investment to made the xpensive assets of a grand scale adventure are so big that only few company could produce them.
Not only that but the genre seems had slow down in Japan ( the most important market for them ) and never really pick up in the west with some exception like FF, KH or Pokemon ( the latter is famous to have frugal presentation is a similar fashion to DQ ).
The only company that can afford to produce these expensive games is SE because it has the brand name to afford the risk.
The other "major" recently attempts are all funded by one fisrt party.

So no wonder the DS is becoming the new house for the genre.

Yes but I wonder how well the new IP JRPGs will do on the DS.  We all know that TWEWY did pretty well selling 270K in the US alone as well as another 200K in Japan.

I'm interested to see how well World Destruction and the new Valkyrie Profile sell?  I think they will both do decently.

 



 

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ZenfoldorVGI on 23 September 2008
Skeeuk said:

well all the traditional jrpg`s so far have been kinda mediocre LO BD TV ID

white knight chronicles looks to be the 1st true gem.

 

ToV isn't mediocre. I think you might be going by review scores, because if you'd played it, you wouldn't group it in with those others.



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Riachu on 23 September 2008
ZenfoldorVGI said:
Skeeuk said:

well all the traditional jrpg`s so far have been kinda mediocre LO BD TV ID

white knight chronicles looks to be the 1st true gem.

 

ToV isn't mediocre. I think you might be going by review scores, because if you'd played it, you wouldn't group it in with those others.

The average is 82% for ToV which I would hardly call mediocre. Non of ToV scores when below a 7 as far as I know

@Skeeuk

If you mean WKC looks to be the first JRPG with mainly high 80, low 90s scores, then you are right.

 



 

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Seraphic_Sixaxis on 23 September 2008
Bitmap Frogs said:
Loud_Hot_White_Box said:

Microsoft's buying of JRPGs, and however else they may end up on 360 first or exclusively, has diminished their importance overall because it has diminished their audience.

Xbox 1 fans were largely FPS-heads that made fun of Final Fantasy, and for that matter made fun of the Japanese (and shit, probably Democrats) and now 360 fans are supposed to care about JRPGs?  

No, the JRPGs were for one thing only: to get market share in Japan.  And: fail.

 

Obviously only xbox1 owners would be interested on the 360 because MS has failed to expand its market. In other news, 120 million ps2 users are only waiting for lair uncharted dmc4 gta4 mgs4 LBP to upgrade and sony world domination is upon us. Meanwhile, ES the first true jrpg for the ps3 has outsold the 360 version LTD in its first week. In Japan, world renowned publisher/developer Square Enix is finishing touches on the genre-defining, milestone title Final Fantasy 13 Final Fantasy Versus 13 for the PlayStation 3 videogame multimedia-experience-hub system.

This is Xbot Fanboyism at its finest.

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Seraphic_Sixaxis on 23 September 2008
Riachu said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
Skeeuk said:

well all the traditional jrpg`s so far have been kinda mediocre LO BD TV ID

white knight chronicles looks to be the 1st true gem.

 

ToV isn't mediocre. I think you might be going by review scores, because if you'd played it, you wouldn't group it in with those others.

The average is 82% for ToV which I would hardly call mediocre. Non of ToV scores when below a 7 as far as I know

@Skeeuk

If you mean WKC looks to be the first JRPG with mainly high 80, low 90s scores, then you are right.

 

Agreed, WKC should be solid, lets just hope its not rushed or delayed.

 



ZenfoldorVGI on 23 September 2008
Seraphic_Sixaxis said:
Riachu said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
Skeeuk said:

well all the traditional jrpg`s so far have been kinda mediocre LO BD TV ID

white knight chronicles looks to be the 1st true gem.

 

ToV isn't mediocre. I think you might be going by review scores, because if you'd played it, you wouldn't group it in with those others.

The average is 82% for ToV which I would hardly call mediocre. Non of ToV scores when below a 7 as far as I know

@Skeeuk

If you mean WKC looks to be the first JRPG with mainly high 80, low 90s scores, then you are right.

 

Agreed, WKC should be solid, lets just hope its not rushed or delayed.

 

I also think TLR looks really good, but who knows after IU.

 



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It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

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Riachu on 24 September 2008
ZenfoldorVGI said:
Seraphic_Sixaxis said:
Riachu said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
Skeeuk said:

well all the traditional jrpg`s so far have been kinda mediocre LO BD TV ID

white knight chronicles looks to be the 1st true gem.

 

ToV isn't mediocre. I think you might be going by review scores, because if you'd played it, you wouldn't group it in with those others.

The average is 82% for ToV which I would hardly call mediocre. Non of ToV scores when below a 7 as far as I know

@Skeeuk

If you mean WKC looks to be the first JRPG with mainly high 80, low 90s scores, then you are right.

 

Agreed, WKC should be solid, lets just hope its not rushed or delayed.

 

I also think TLR looks really good, but who knows after IU.

 

The only actual worry I have about TLR is that the SaGa team is involved in its development.  Thankfully, technical issues doesn't seem to be as bad as it has been in other games from what I saw in the trailers for the game.

 



 

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