vlad321 said:
appolose said:
vlad321 said:
Science and empiricism can't get close to proving anything; one can't even say they can lend evidence to any idea. Again, there is no way to prove you are not a brain floating in a vat, and one can't say science has had success because the only way to know that is to use empiricism; i.e., observing such success. It's circular. It doesn't have the rigour of mathematical proof because it has no rigour at all.
A parent will generally want what is best for their children; why wouldn't they try to convince them of their own religion, seeing as the parents themselves are convinced of it? Should they not tell them to eat their veggies, too? While you may argue that religous matters are too undecided to be taught to children, parents tell their children many things apart from religion, and many a thing one parent teaches their child will radically differ from what another parent teaches theirs. It's hardly criminal then, because we know they think they know what's best for their kids.
Again, I believe in God partly because I presuppose he exists.
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I'm not saying math and just normal calculations can solve everythign right away, it takes a while to develop the tools to prove something. Maybe one tday we will be able to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that we are in a vat or not in vat. Until then I will take what has been proven as true and I will assume everything else is false with the possibility of it being true at some point of time. Until then it is false, there can't be an in between.
But you do realize, even if we could somehow prove empiricism (with empiricism) one day, that until the, you are in the same boat as I; having to assume something is true or not. We have to take a starting point apart from evidence. Furthermore, we still are stuck with much more than a reasonable doubt when it comes to concluding that science can show us anything.
There's a huge diference between a parent telling their child to look both ways when crossing the street and to eat their veggies, and playing off of their gullibility and basically passively forcing their beliefs in the future.
Perhaps there is, but even in this instance it's not so much as the parents playing off the child's gullibility and forcing information down there throats as it is when it comes to eating their veggies; the parent believes in both, and, as such, teaches both. It's not manipulation.
As to why the parents shouldn't tell them about what they believe in. They shouldn't because what the parents believe in may be false, wrong, perverted, evil, w/e else. I'm sure during the crusades the parents told their children that Muslims were the devil, that they told their kids Jews were the root of all evel during WWII in Germany, or that Westerners need to die because Allah says so in some villages in the Middle East. In those and in many more cases what the parent believes is utter false and utter bullcrap.
But how would the parents have known that what they taught was horrid? They probably had the same assurance of what they taught about religion as they did anything else (and I'm sure there were many things that were taught that we're not religious and yet were horryfing and deadly as well).
A parent should teach their child about how to survive in the world and teach them things that will help them out in the world and leave out what they believe in since that will not have any effect on their wellbeing. Like I said before children should not be talked about with such serious beliefs until at least 13, when they can make rational choices for themselves. From what I know the Bible doesn't have an age requirement where if you are not follwoing god by that age you are damned to hell. Why hurry then? Like I said, I think that many realize that unless you pound it into little children's heads then they probably won't be believers at all.
While the Bible certainly doesn't give a cutoff age for salvation, why risk not telling them as early as possible? If they died early, and they were at an age where they would be going to hell if they died, then the parent has just let their kid go to the worst place imaginable.
When and how did you become religious? Were your parents religious, and if yes can you tell me at what age they told you about god?
Yes, my parents told me and convinced me from an early age. Now, I believe in God because I presuppose.
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