@vlad321

The angel Muhammed sees was Gabriel.

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I don't believe. I'm an Athiestic Agnostic or an Agnostic Athiest, whatever it is called.

I don't believe in him, but I have no idea if he does exist.

Thank you, I got back into DiabloII and the only name that I could come up with was Tyrael and literally nothing else, lol.

@luinil

There's also sleight of hand. A guy from Miami was able to hide, get this, his wallet, cell phone, and his passport from 4 guys which were mugging him using only sleight of hand. For all we know he could have been the world's greatest illusionist, I've seen much more unbelievable things done by magicians than what was performed by Jesus, yet I know better than to think that they are all real. As I have stated somewhere above, credit where credit is due, Jesus and Moses were probably some of the worl'd greatest leaders for being able to fool, lead, and eventually be the founders of such a mass of people who believe everything they said. I have great respect for them in that manner, but that's it. Are you willing to tell me that I should believe that god actually handed down the commandments? Moses was leading his people for so long they were on the verge of the breaking point and everything was about to be thrown into anarchy when suddenly Moses decides to leave, this is the most importaant part, ALONE and comes back with rules which neutralizes the whole problem? God's work or just a pure genius who knows how to handle mass crowds?

Also the reason why I can't believe miracles is because I have yet to hear of about a miracle from someone who is not religious, isn't it interesting that only those who are zealous manage to see these miracles, yet the unbelievers don't? In his almighty glory, why does god show himself to the people who already have faith in him and not the ones who don't so that they possibily convert? Doesn't he know that the non-believers won't believe the religious folk when they tell them about the miracles?

Firstly, Moses was not a good public speaker and was reluctant to do God's bidding. Second, It was not suddenly he went away and came back with 10 rules; God directed them to do this.

Exodus 19:
1)In the third month, when the children of Israel were gone forth out of the land of Egypt, the same day came they into the wilderness of Sinai.

That is hardly a long time. 3 months is only 90 days. They were in forced slave labor for over 200 years. 90 days is nothing after what God did to get them out of Egypt. The people were restless from staying leaderless in one spot too long and reverted back to idol worship they picked up from the Egyptians. That is the anarchy you are referring to I am assuming.

To your edited: God chose to not base the belief in him on miracles. Sure God can perform them at will, but if people only believe in God because they got something at first, they will want something the next time they need a miracle as well. God is not a dog that he would perform tricks. Faith is something that is required, for "without faith it is impossible to please God." If you require miracles for you to follow God, you are not using faith.

90 days trekking through the Middle East when they were promised a land of honey and milk, or so to speak. Being a public speaker also doesn't mean that he isn't a good leader. Furthermore if I can use god as an excuse to a bunch of people, go away ALONE for 10 days and come back with a bunch of rules which stopped some war, I'd do it in a heartbeat. He just knew what he had to do and that was what many people have done since then, play off the gullibility and the beliefs of the masses to get them to behave. As Marx once said, "Religioni os opium for the masses."

Actual places have a lot of meaning in Christianity.  Surely you've heard of the Church of Nativity (Jesus' birthplace) and the Holy Sepulchre (where Jesus was crucified).  It is insanely important to Christians, and if you ever go there you will find numerous Christian groups from around the world, from European Catholics to American Protestants to churches in Asia you have probably never heard of.

Other religions, just like Christianity, have numerous miracles.  Asking me to narrow it down would be like asking me to pick a piece of hay out of a hay stack.

Well let me put it this way, how far can a large group of people with young children and elderly walk in a day? They also have carts of gold and other things they are bringing along with them. How far is Egypt from "The Land of Milk and Honey" using the path they walked? They were provided for along the way when they needed it. Water from a rock, bread on the desert floor every morning, cloud cover every day they walked to help them stay cool, and pillar of fire to keep them warm at night.

Did you know that they wandered in circles on purpose in the desert for 40 years? If they thought the rules were fake don't you think they would revolt? Even after getting delivered from Egypt safely, walking straight through the Red Sea on dry land, while the water stood towering above their heads, and all of the other small miracles that kept them alive, don't you think that some people would think Moses could be tricking them and might get sympathetic supports to overthrow Moses if any of these things were false?

They put their trust in him to begin with, a trust based on belief. As this thread has shown that trust can hardly ever be shaken. Maybe those little miracles were Moses just playing the leadership card again? As it is, everything about Moses points to a great leader and liar at the same time, necessary lies so his people don't die out or anything but still. Why have we yet to see any miracles along the lines of the plagues or the Red Sea again? Did god all of the sudden decide that they were not needed?

OMG! BREAKTHROUGH! Vlad just seemingly admitted that the Red Sea was parted! ZOMG THERE IS A GOD!

lol. is joke post.

Moses was a well respected Egyptian, he was even adopted into the Egyptian Royal family.

When reading Exodus with an open mind, it makes more sense to me to think as Moses as a rebellious leader.  He obvioulsy knew how to be a good speaker, he led an army of Hebrews and consulted with the pharoah on many occasions.  Moses also knew the Egyptian terrain, outsmarting the pharoah by moving his followers across a stretch of the Red Sea (or Reed Sea, depending on translation) that is only passable during low tide.

Also I fail to how a group of people as large as the Israelites were could eat something provided to them by a guy who's only trick is slight of hand. You can't eat or drink slight of hand. You can eat manna and drink water. Both of which were supernaturally provided to them daily, in the desert I might add. You can't pick stuff off the desert floor every morning for 40 yearsand eat it and declare that it is great! You are either insane or eating sand... Though they did get tired of the heavenly bread after a while and grumbled again, at which time no amount of slight of hand can make birds land in your camp where you can catch them and eat them. It just doesn't happen.