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Hmm. I really don't think it would be that easy for 360 to acquire such games. The games that seem to be really driving Wii are essentially all 1st party (it seems to me) and therefore completely beyond reach.

Wii Sports, Wii Fit, Mario games, Zelda, etc.

Most other exclusives wouldn't help the 360 one iota against Wii IMHO but would sure reduce the average score for its library of games. Also in many cases I think to have any chance most games would need a texture/graphics overhaul for 360 - something that would add further cost.

The other factor is simple. MS is much better at copying and refining than true innovation in games IMHO. It's done so by hiring well and focusing on key strengths, like Live - but remember Live and games like Halo and online MP were essentially built on existing PC games/online approaches, Live is not something totally original IMO, just the first successful online on consoles (that I'm aware of).

The Wii and its best games take a different mindset I think, one not built around making it bigger, faster, etc. but something much quirkier. Therefore for MS copying it will be much harder than Sony, which was an easier target in many ways:

create decent HD console (generously ignoring RROD here BTW) - check
pay for decent games from established players in known genres (Epic, etc) - check
create and refine an online experience built upon PC MP roots - check
use buying power to erode traditional Sony third party exclusives - check
create easy to use SDK and court third party developers heavily - check
get the damn thing to market fast to gain a lead with both consumers/developers - check

Now, in my opinion if you look at the above almost none of it is any use against Wii:

The Wii isn't even HD and having a more powerful console wouldn't seem to be the answer.
The core Wii titles are all first party and beyond reach
The Wii is about playing together in the same room, and not overly affected by Live

Finally, I do believe (as Peter Moore spoke about) that MS focused their whole strategy on Sony... which leaves them in a tricky position vs Wii as they're not really set up on any level to try and compete with it.  And of course given they have done well against Sony MS must be wondering whether to hope Wii in a one gen thing for Nintedo and keep hammering away at Sony or whether to try and do something against it and risk giving Sony breathing room in the process...

Sorry this is long, but I just think that for MS the Wii isn't something that can be tackled by getting a checque book out and trying to use money to gain a competitive advantage (or reduce the Wii's)... and that fact alone probably makes it a very hard foe for MS to consider as historically most of their solutions at the end of the day rested on using money and their global reach rather than quirky innovation.



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well wii can stole 360 exclusives(no more heroes)
you are delusional if you are trying to convince yourself that wii doesn't have games you would like to play. remember madworld, no more heroes, tenchu games(since 4-6 are wii exclusive), fatal frame 4, monster hunter 3 and so on.



waron said:
well wii can stole 360 exclusives(no more heroes)
you are delusional if you are trying to convince yourself that wii doesn't have games you would like to play. remember madworld, no more heroes, tenchu games(since 4-6 are wii exclusive), fatal frame 4, monster hunter 3 and so on.

 

Actually, MH3 is the only game I will be getting. Could not care less about nmh,tenchu or fatal frame even on wii, why should I want those on 360? If madworld gets good reviews, I might pick it up from the bargain bin later.



i lold @ the first 4 comments.



Soriku said:

So...all those RPGs on the Wii (MS sure want RPGs) are PS2 ports? MadWorld is on the PS2? Conduit is on the PS2? Spyborgs is on the PS2? Sky Crawlers is on the PS2? MH3 is on the PS2 (I bet MS would want a MH after seeing how popular it is in Japan but they're taking no action)? Little King's Story is on the PS2?

etc.

Comment fails pretty hard.

 

How many of those games are even released yet?



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Soriku said:

@Kurakasa

None. But it's not like MS wouldn't want them since they could help sicne those games are quality.

 

How do you know that those games are quality titles? Have you played them? Any reviews?



I was going to say that you make too many this kind of topics, but apparently you still get quite a number of responses.



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Reasonable said:

Hmm. I really don't think it would be that easy for 360 to acquire such games. The games that seem to be really driving Wii are essentially all 1st party (it seems to me) and therefore completely beyond reach.

Wii Sports, Wii Fit, Mario games, Zelda, etc.

Most other exclusives wouldn't help the 360 one iota against Wii IMHO but would sure reduce the average score for its library of games. Also in many cases I think to have any chance most games would need a texture/graphics overhaul for 360 - something that would add further cost.

The other factor is simple. MS is much better at copying and refining than true innovation in games IMHO. It's done so by hiring well and focusing on key strengths, like Live - but remember Live and games like Halo and online MP were essentially built on existing PC games/online approaches, Live is not something totally original IMO, just the first successful online on consoles (that I'm aware of).

The Wii and its best games take a different mindset I think, one not built around making it bigger, faster, etc. but something much quirkier. Therefore for MS copying it will be much harder than Sony, which was an easier target in many ways:

create decent HD console (generously ignoring RROD here BTW) - check
pay for decent games from established players in known genres (Epic, etc) - check
create and refine an online experience built upon PC MP roots - check
use buying power to erode traditional Sony third party exclusives - check
create easy to use SDK and court third party developers heavily - check
get the damn thing to market fast to gain a lead with both consumers/developers - check

Now, in my opinion if you look at the above almost none of it is any use against Wii:

The Wii isn't even HD and having a more powerful console wouldn't seem to be the answer.
The core Wii titles are all first party and beyond reach
The Wii is about playing together in the same room, and not overly affected by Live

Finally, I do believe (as Peter Moore spoke about) that MS focused their whole strategy on Sony... which leaves them in a tricky position vs Wii as they're not really set up on any level to try and compete with it.  And of course given they have done well against Sony MS must be wondering whether to hope Wii in a one gen thing for Nintedo and keep hammering away at Sony or whether to try and do something against it and risk giving Sony breathing room in the process...

Sorry this is long, but I just think that for MS the Wii isn't something that can be tackled by getting a checque book out and trying to use money to gain a competitive advantage (or reduce the Wii's)... and that fact alone probably makes it a very hard foe for MS to consider as historically most of their solutions at the end of the day rested on using money and their global reach rather than quirky innovation.

I think you're not understanding where im coming from. A lot of your points agree with my thinking except that the angle I was looking for was not about beating the Wii, its about providing a service/console that people value in order to profit from it like any business works. The whole ethos of Xbox Live Arcade invalidates the argument that the Xbox 360 and that the games available are completely different in design/style to the Wii.

The whole point of combining a media remote and a motion controller is that its a synergy which works well to improve both the media functionality of the system whilst providing people with a greater variety of fun games to play. Its really that simple. If the link I posted is of any indication there are a lot of games which would be great for Xbox 360 owners to have and would be apreciated by potential/current owners.

@Certain individuals - Your posts are trolling the Wii, if you did that in the Nintendo forums your ass would be banned so fast...

 



Tease.

Wii 3rd party supports sucks. Only game worth getting is No More Heroes, and I would rather get better games from the 360's third party support.



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Soriku said:
Kurakasa said:
Soriku said:

@Kurakasa

None. But it's not like MS wouldn't want them since they could help sicne those games are quality.

 

How do you know that those games are quality titles? Have you played them? Any reviews?

 

lol. Hey look, I can do the same.

How do you know GeoW2 is quality? Have you played it? Reviews?

I didn't know we need to play it or have any reviews to judge if a game looks like quality or not. That must mean a ton of games people are looking forward to on all systems might not be quality since we have no "teh proofz!11!"

 

Well, GoW2 for example is coming from a developer who have excellent track record. It is a proven franchise so we know it has excellent gameplay and graphics do look good.

 

Likes of the conduit and madworld are hyped here at vgchartz but they are coming from relatively unknown developers. I don't even know what "spyborgs" or "sky crawlers" are. Little kings story.. you can't be serious. :)

You are just hoping that those will be good games, since they are coming to wii. Untill they are proven to be good, why should someone want them on any other console?