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HappySqurriel on 18 September 2008
SamuelRSmith said:
akuma587 said:
SamuelRSmith said:
Adverts?

As in TV adverts?

Politicians actually use those in the states?

In the UK it is illegal for a party to run their own adverts on TV, they are each given the same amount of minutes on the BBC in which the broadcast is free. No more television advertising is allowed outside of this.

I wish we had something more like this.  The system is pretty out of control here.  Thanks "freedom of speech"!

 

 

 Well, it's all about fairness. Right-wing parties are more likely to be supported by corporations, and rich guys, who will be willing to donate a lot to keep taxes down, and shit. This gives some parties far more money than others, and can give them an unfair advantage, and that's not really democratical.

That's not (necessarily) true ...

In Canada the Liberals (traditionally) received the bulk of their funding from corporations while the Conservative party received the bulk of their funding from individuals. The odd thing is that the Liberals introduced caps on the ammount an individual or corporation can donate when they introduced public funding for political parties (which was based on the percentage of the popular vote you receive); as a result of this they are not able to fund-raise nearly as well as the Conservatives, and (since they have seen declining support recently) they have been unable to receive nearly as much funding from the government as the Conservatives have.



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Kasz216 on 18 September 2008

Not bad. He only made one strawman arguement.



Aiemond on 18 September 2008

Well, don't forget he admitted to having a troubled period in his teen/early college years and talked about how he overcame them and became what he is today. So even if he took cocaine then I think it was a far different obama than what he is today.



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Kasz216 on 18 September 2008
SamuelRSmith said:
akuma587 said:
SamuelRSmith said:
Adverts?

As in TV adverts?

Politicians actually use those in the states?

In the UK it is illegal for a party to run their own adverts on TV, they are each given the same amount of minutes on the BBC in which the broadcast is free. No more television advertising is allowed outside of this.

I wish we had something more like this.  The system is pretty out of control here.  Thanks "freedom of speech"!

 

 

 Well, it's all about fairness. Right-wing parties are more likely to be supported by corporations, and rich guys, who will be willing to donate a lot to keep taxes down, and shit. This gives some parties far more money than others, and can give them an unfair advantage, and that's not really democratical.

Not in the US.  In the US corporations give money to both parties... pretty equally really.  Heck a lot of companies give to both.

I mean, people blame the republicans for all the stuff letting Freddie May and Fannie Mac get away with stuff... yet who got the most money from those banks politically?

Obama and Chris Dodd.



Kasz216 on 18 September 2008
Aiemond said:
Well, don't forget he admitted to having a troubled period in his teen/early college years and talked about how he overcame them and became what he is today. So even if he took cocaine then I think it was a far different obama than what he is today.

Who cares...  I'd lay even money on both of the last two presidents using Cocaine while they were president.

Some of our best presidents were mentally ill.

Even Sanity doesn't seem to be a perfect indicator of a president, as a lot of our best presidents seemed to have mental health issues like Depression and Hypomania.

Personal probelems really aren't a good indicator of qualifications for president.



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Hawkeye on 18 September 2008
super_etecoon said:
Hawkeye said:
BenKenobi88 said:
MrBubbles said:
it was boring so i stopped watching it. ads have to grab peoples attention.

What, like flash hate messages about John McCain?

He talked super briefly about the most important issues in the upcoming election, and he spoke very straightforward, something the "straight talker" McCain doesn't do so much anymore.

There are things I dislike about both candidates, but there is so much wrong with John McCain and Sarah Palin that I can't not vote for Obama.

 

What don't you like about each candidate? I'll list what I don't like

Barack Obama

1. Took Cocaine

2. In my opinion, his is not qualified/barely qualified and will either learn on the job and be great, or be anohter Jimmy Carter.

3. He wants to increase taxes on the rich, which is bad for me.

4. I disagree with alot of Barack Obamas views; about as much as I disagree with Palin's views

John McCain

1. His explosive temper due to being in a POW camp could cause him to make bad decisions (pyhcotic?)

2. His is not technically savvy, and lacks mobility due to his arms being broken.

3. Sarah Palin is not qualified to be president in my opinion, and McCain is old and times are tough so if he wins there is a good chance he will die.

4. I don't really agree with alot of Sarah Palins views; I am more socially liberal and conservative economically, while Palin is far-right wacko conservative socailly, and economically moderate.

This stigma still exists? It's fricking cocaine.

 

Which is terrible for you. It shows that at one point, Barack Obama had very poor judgement. The possibility remains that he still does.

 



Hawkeye on 18 September 2008
Kasz216 said:
Aiemond said:
Well, don't forget he admitted to having a troubled period in his teen/early college years and talked about how he overcame them and became what he is today. So even if he took cocaine then I think it was a far different obama than what he is today.

Who cares... I'd lay even money on both of the last two presidents using Cocaine while they were president.

Some of our best presidents were mentally ill.

Even Sanity doesn't seem to be a perfect indicator of a president, as a lot of our best presidents seemed to have mental health issues like Depression and Hypomania.

Personal probelems really aren't a good indicator of qualifications for president.

 

Thats true. Lincoln had terrible depression, and he was one of the best.



Tispower1 on 18 September 2008
SamuelRSmith said:
akuma587 said:
SamuelRSmith said:
Adverts?

As in TV adverts?

Politicians actually use those in the states?

In the UK it is illegal for a party to run their own adverts on TV, they are each given the same amount of minutes on the BBC in which the broadcast is free. No more television advertising is allowed outside of this.

I wish we had something more like this.  The system is pretty out of control here.  Thanks "freedom of speech"!

 

 

 Well, it's all about fairness. Right-wing parties are more likely to be supported by corporations, and rich guys, who will be willing to donate a lot to keep taxes down, and shit. This gives some parties far more money than others, and can give them an unfair advantage, and that's not really democratical.

 

How based on reality is the stuff from American Writers such as John Grisham, because if it's anything like that, then it's just scary!



fkusumot on 18 September 2008
The recent financial disasters -- from the collapse of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to the historic drop in the stock market -- are not just a string of bad luck. They are the result of years of bad decisions made in favor of big corporate special interests instead of America's working families.

More than 600,000 Americans have lost their jobs since January. Home foreclosures are skyrocketing, and home values are plunging. Gas prices are at an all-time high, and we're still spending more than $10 billion every month on a war in Iraq that should never have been waged.

John McCain's campaign is doing everything it can to focus attention on false personal attacks and distractions -- but there's too much at stake for that kind of politics.

I'm interested in hearing how the McCain camp will respond to this.



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The Ghost of RubangB on 18 September 2008
Hawkeye said:
super_etecoon said:
Hawkeye said:
BenKenobi88 said:
MrBubbles said:
it was boring so i stopped watching it. ads have to grab peoples attention.

What, like flash hate messages about John McCain?

He talked super briefly about the most important issues in the upcoming election, and he spoke very straightforward, something the "straight talker" McCain doesn't do so much anymore.

There are things I dislike about both candidates, but there is so much wrong with John McCain and Sarah Palin that I can't not vote for Obama.

 

What don't you like about each candidate? I'll list what I don't like

Barack Obama

1. Took Cocaine

2. In my opinion, his is not qualified/barely qualified and will either learn on the job and be great, or be anohter Jimmy Carter.

3. He wants to increase taxes on the rich, which is bad for me.

4. I disagree with alot of Barack Obamas views; about as much as I disagree with Palin's views

John McCain

1. His explosive temper due to being in a POW camp could cause him to make bad decisions (pyhcotic?)

2. His is not technically savvy, and lacks mobility due to his arms being broken.

3. Sarah Palin is not qualified to be president in my opinion, and McCain is old and times are tough so if he wins there is a good chance he will die.

4. I don't really agree with alot of Sarah Palins views; I am more socially liberal and conservative economically, while Palin is far-right wacko conservative socailly, and economically moderate.

This stigma still exists? It's fricking cocaine.

Which is terrible for you. It shows that at one point, Barack Obama had very poor judgement. The possibility remains that he still does.

Poor judgment regarding what one does with his or her own body and poor judgment regarding what one does with government policy are two completely separate things.

I'd easily elect a president who still uses cocaine daily if I thought they were the best person for the job of handling the executive branch of this zany country I call home.

Bush was like the ultimate frat boy nightmare and I don't care.  It's his policies that bother me and the majority of the planet.



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