Are you seriously comparing an S2000 or 350Z to a Ferrari or Porsche (as you mentioned first of all)? So that would be 200bhp to 450?

My point was they have to create a different branch of their company or something so aim for 2 different types of consumers, they cannot do it being one complete company.

Sorry if I came across as brash, I just don't like it when people are ignorant :P

"Nintendo has found a way to make money with low budget, crappy mini-game compilations and fitness games, so that's where they'll stick to... The only thing you should expect is more rehashed franchises."
Wow what a great post, and your comment is totaly off base. Rehashed franchises? You could say that about Sony and MS as well, mini game compilations, they do have a few so what?

Just say you dont like Nintendo and there games and be done with it. I think Nintendo is leading this industry in a very good way. The company has taken a lot of very unique ideas and put them out there for the market to judge. The ds is selling very well and the wii is selling very good as well.

Also ya Nintendo does like money, it keeps the employees happy and enables them to make games. You know the mini games, the kid games and lets not forget the rehased franchises.

 Sigh I don't call Wii sports, Wii Play, Wii fit, Nintendogs, Brain age new games they are made for non gamers.
 Yes other companies do it to but on X360 and PS3 I see some new franchises from developpers I never thought of.   Epic would have a sure hit with only bringing Unreal III but they didn't they made a whole new game called Gears of Wars and then you have many other franchises who will come or have been released, Bioshock,Mass effect, Kameo, Viva Pinata, Crackdown  and on PS3 the most of the games are new franchises this year,  Heavenly Sword, Lair, Uncharted, Resistance, Motorstorm, Eight Days, Warhawk, Timeshift, Army of Two, Assasins creed, Bladestorm, .....

I guess the way you define "hardcore" is quite narrow-minded. 
"Hardcore" do not require killing, shooting, and rampage.    

Here's what I posted on other site: 

Despite Nintendo’s focus on casual gamers, there already are titles for core gamers such as SMG, SSBB, MP3, RE4, Manhunt, Scarface, etc and this list keeps growing.

This begs the question about the gamers who claim that Wii abandoned them: What do they want? When will they say Wii have games for them?

First of all, who are they? These gamers are most likely male typically between high teen and mid 20s who like, simply put, violence. They appreciate gruesome killing and also prefer serious/darker storylines such as war.

These players consider these violent and darker games as “core game” and reject everything else. They refuse to classify the existing core titles for Wii saying that graphics are subpar/kiddy-ish and that there is not enough violence.

What these players are missing is that violence and realistic graphics/design are not the defining factors of “core-ness”.

Instead “core-ness” involves various factors of gameplay such as control scheme, the clarity and depth of storyline, creativity in designing challenges, the structure of game-progression, replayability, etc.

Unless these young gamers start take into account of these variety of factors that contribute to the overall quality of gameplay experience, they will keep saying Nintendo has nothing to offer them and will keep calling gruesome killng sprees as “true core games”.

Given this mindset, It’s quite pointless to argue with them if there is core games or not for wii. Once they get older, maybe in late 20s and 30s, they will perhaps gradually start to appreciate the broad range of factors that enhance our gaming experience.

If you believe games like Halo and GTA are hardcore and Nintendo games aren't, I suggest you just keep playing XBOX or whatever and be happy.  Just don't bother promulgating your narrow definition of core games.

I posted this in another thread and thought it was relevant to this one. It sums up what I expect out of Nintendo and all game publishers for that matter.

How about (gasp!) a new IP that isn't strictly aimed at casuals (Wii Sports, WiiFit, etc.) i.e. a "real" game. I will go ahead and count Wii Sports, but Wii Fit doesn't exactly "fit" the criteria (sorry about the pun). It's not really that hard. Sony and Microsoft (who supposedly aren't that innovative) can do it.

Sony new IP's:

Infamous
Uncharted
Echochrome
Heavenly Sword
Lair
Little Big Planet
Folklore
White Knight Story
and counting ones already released this generation
Resistance
Motorstorm

And on the PSN:

Flow
Calling all Cars
Pain

Microsoft new IP's:

Mass Effect
Crackdown
Alan Wake
Too Human
Vampire Rain (still counts even if bad)
Shadowrun
Blue Dragon
Lost Odyssey
A few more I forgot

Nintendo - rehashed IP's versus new ones on the Wii.

Rehashed:
Legend of Zelda: TP
Fire Emblem
Super Mario Galaxy
Metroid Prime
Smash Bros. Brawl
Mario Kart Wii
Mario Party 8
Big Brain Academy: Wii Degree
probably some more I am missing

New IP's:

Wii Sports
Wii Music (haven't heard from this one in awhile)
Project H.A.M.M.E.R. (o wait...)
Disaster (this one is questionable, may or may not see the light of day)
WarioWare Smooth Moves (uses the Wario name, but I will count it cause it is different)
Wii Fit

There you have it. Feel free to add any if I missed some, particularly on the Nintendo side, cause I would like to hear some more. No seriously, I am asking you to. D.S. games aside (which have, even if they aren't traditional, seen some new IP's like Nintendogs, Brain Age, etc. although there are plenty of remakes like all of the N64 rehashes), Nintendo has not been as creative as people give them credit for.

This is funny.

1. There are plenty of 'core' non-mini or 'casual' games coming. Both new and old-school vc games to keep any core gamer happy. Lists are abound.
2. Wii's online service is just fine. You can play tons of people you have never met anonymously or trade friend codes with your family/friends to play directly with certian people. True, it would be nice to have a headset, but hearing some 12 year old speak like a sailor while he is shooting you isn't that great either.
3. Nintendo's vision is just fine. Create a whole new market to bring in new gamers and thus grow the community. Many of them might play the core games as well. All the while still producing top notch core games that the base wants. Meanwhile that same base will probably buy quite a few of the casual games. I know I will buy some.

Plus, this is ignoring 3rd parties. Whomever has the largest base and momentum will get the most 3rd party attention. Thus, tons of other great core games cometh.

This would be a reasonable position if the "hardcore gamer" crowd was clearly still growing, but it's not, I suspect.

Nintendo is making as many hardcore games as they always have -- I think that's been made clear. It's really a separate complaint; you are no longer arguing that Nintendo isn't making hardcore games, you're just arguing that they aren't making EVEN MORE hardcore games. Nintendo has recognized that the number of "core" gamers has stabilized, and that there really isn't a great deal of room for growth in this sector. Which is absolutely validated by sales; every PS3 game save Resistance and Motorstorm has lost money, according to all of the analysis I've seen (break-even point for PS3 games seems to be around 500-600k, depending on whether you ask Namco or an Lazard, and only those two titles have reached that milestone at the moment. That's right -- only two games on the PS3, total, have passed 500k units sold).

It's kind of unfair to try to switch the argument like this, Akuma. Once we've proven that Nintendo is still making hardcore games, you then swap out that argument for "well, okay, but why aren't they making eveb more hardcore games than ever before?"

So I guess all those 100 million people who bought PS2's just disappeared off the face of the earth. That was what made the system so appealing to me DIVERSITY. I could care less about nothing but rehashed IP's or new IP's aimed at my grandmother.