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I don't think John McCain knows his explanation for his stance a couple months ago. I don't think John McCain knows as much about the economy as he should. John McCain told me that.

It's not about blaming one party or the other or one ideology or the other, (although that's a fun game too) but it's a huge crisis and it needs a solution, and McCain's solution so far involves flip-flopping like crazy. We're seeing flip-flops within the same day now, where at 9 am he'll say the economy is strong, and at noon he'll say we need more regulation, and then 2 days later he'll say he's going to blame and fire somebody (which he can't actually legally do). McCain is panicking now because suddenly the whole election is about his weakest issue.



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Jackson50 said:
akuma587 said:
New poll by SurveyUSA had Obama up by +4 in Virginia. Looks like that state will still be pretty competitive. Florida is most likely going to McCain. Ohio will be a tough battle, but right now I would call it for McCain.

 

McCain will win Florida, Missouri and Nevada. It will come down to Ohio, Virginia and Colorado. If he is going to win the election, Mccain will have to win all three of those states. Two of these states are traditionally Republican (Colorado and Virginia) and one is soft Republican (Ohio), He cannot afford a 269-269 tie as the House would indubitably elect Obama and the Senate would elect Biden.

This is my favorite poll tracking site as it allows you to manipulate the EC map: http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/poll-tracker.htm

I don't see Obama winning Ohio... what with his NAFTA position change... and the fact that a lot of people here still think he's a secret muslim.

 



HappySqurriel said:

I don't know what John McCain's explaination for his stance a couple of months ago is, but a recession has a very clear definition and I'm not certain it has been met yet; and John McCain has many (political) reasons why he would want people to remain very optimistic about the ecconomy.

Beyond that, pointing out the origins of the problems in the housing and mortgage markets is more about trying to get people to think of this as being a much older and larger problem than most people think it is; it is not a problem that George Bush Created, and both parties were involved in its creation and had opportunities to prevent the fall far before it happened.

As always I find much to agree with what you've stated. And while this problem is not a problem that George Bush created it is a problem that was exacerbated by his administrations many miscues and missed opportunites. If you want to disagree with that we can agree to disagree. Crying over spilt milk isn't going to help.

What I do take issue with is the seemingly impotent and incoherent policy stance of the McCain campaign on the economy.



I think The Secret Muslim was the sequel to The Secret Garden, but I could be wrong.

I hope somebody Photoshops this idea into a movie poster.



Kasz216 said:
Jackson50 said:
akuma587 said:
New poll by SurveyUSA had Obama up by +4 in Virginia. Looks like that state will still be pretty competitive. Florida is most likely going to McCain. Ohio will be a tough battle, but right now I would call it for McCain.

 

McCain will win Florida, Missouri and Nevada. It will come down to Ohio, Virginia and Colorado. If he is going to win the election, Mccain will have to win all three of those states. Two of these states are traditionally Republican (Colorado and Virginia) and one is soft Republican (Ohio), He cannot afford a 269-269 tie as the House would indubitably elect Obama and the Senate would elect Biden.

This is my favorite poll tracking site as it allows you to manipulate the EC map: http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/poll-tracker.htm

 

I don't see Obama winning Ohio... what with his NAFTA position change... and the fact that a lot of people here still think he's a secret muslim.

 

 

I am not sure about the Muslim perception, but his waffling on free-trade made Ohio more competitive than I thought it would be. It is now appearing as if OH and VA are beginning to lean towards McCain. That leaves Colorado as the state to watch. If McCain does win those two states in addition to NH and Obama wins CO...this election would make the controversey in 2000 look like nothing. Certain Democratic states would have majority Republican delegation (MI and NM), and certain Republican states (TN and AR) would have a majority Democrati delegation. I believe the Democrats have a slight majority in state delegations right now, but I am fairly certain the country does not want to go this route.



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Jackson50 said:

I am not sure about the Muslim perception, but his waffling on free-trade made Ohio more competitive than I thought it would be. It is now appearing as if OH and VA are beginning to lean towards McCain. That leaves Colorado as the state to watch. If McCain does win those two states in addition to NH and Obama wins CO...this election would make the controversey in 2000 look like nothing. Certain Democratic states would have majority Republican delegation (MI and NM), and certain Republican states (TN and AR) would have a majority Democrati delegation. I believe the Democrats have a slight majority in state delegations right now, but I am fairly certain the country does not want to go this route.

I wouldn't mind the election being thrown into the House of Representatives. It's really the only conceivable thing that might get rid of the Electoral College. Having all the campaigning going into a few swing states each year instead of actually trying to appeal to an entire nation seems fairly ridiculous.



Jackson50 said:
Kasz216 said:
Jackson50 said:
akuma587 said:
New poll by SurveyUSA had Obama up by +4 in Virginia. Looks like that state will still be pretty competitive. Florida is most likely going to McCain. Ohio will be a tough battle, but right now I would call it for McCain.

 

McCain will win Florida, Missouri and Nevada. It will come down to Ohio, Virginia and Colorado. If he is going to win the election, Mccain will have to win all three of those states. Two of these states are traditionally Republican (Colorado and Virginia) and one is soft Republican (Ohio), He cannot afford a 269-269 tie as the House would indubitably elect Obama and the Senate would elect Biden.

This is my favorite poll tracking site as it allows you to manipulate the EC map: http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/poll-tracker.htm

 

I don't see Obama winning Ohio... what with his NAFTA position change... and the fact that a lot of people here still think he's a secret muslim.

 

 

I am not sure about the Muslim perception, but his waffling on free-trade made Ohio more competitive than I thought it would be. It is now appearing as if OH and VA are beginning to lean towards McCain. That leaves Colorado as the state to watch. If McCain does win those two states in addition to NH and Obama wins CO...this election would make the controversey in 2000 look like nothing. Certain Democratic states would have majority Republican delegation (MI and NM), and certain Republican states (TN and AR) would have a majority Democrati delegation. I believe the Democrats have a slight majority in state delegations right now, but I am fairly certain the country does not want to go this route.

You'd be surprised... it's pretty sad.  There were people during the whole Jerimiah Wright thing claiming it was a conspiracy to hide his secret muslimness.

 



fkusumot said:
Jackson50 said:

I am not sure about the Muslim perception, but his waffling on free-trade made Ohio more competitive than I thought it would be. It is now appearing as if OH and VA are beginning to lean towards McCain. That leaves Colorado as the state to watch. If McCain does win those two states in addition to NH and Obama wins CO...this election would make the controversey in 2000 look like nothing. Certain Democratic states would have majority Republican delegation (MI and NM), and certain Republican states (TN and AR) would have a majority Democrati delegation. I believe the Democrats have a slight majority in state delegations right now, but I am fairly certain the country does not want to go this route.

I wouldn't mind the election being thrown into the House of Representatives. It's really the only conceivable thing that might get rid of the Electoral College. Having all the campaigning going into a few swing states each year instead of actually trying to appeal to an entire nation seems fairly ridiculous.

The direct popular vote has it's own weaknesses.

It deemphasizes any minority groups and makes the Majority groups the ones who get all the attention.

Protects small towns vs urban only intrests...

Protects small states from big states. (Since how they get money from the gov is divided by state, it makes sense to me that how we elect the president is decided by states>)

Protects states if large problems cause voter turnouts, for example if a flood hits, or storms on election day.

Makes it easier for small time members of the parties to get elected.

All that would happen if it was changed was that instead of a few states, it would be a few cities.



Kasz216 said:

The direct popular vote has it's own weaknesses.

It deemphasizes any minority groups and makes the Majority groups the ones who get all the attention.

Protects small towns vs urban only intrests...

Protects small states from big states. (Since how they get money from the gov is divided by state, it makes sense to me that how we elect the president is decided by states>)

Protects states if large problems cause voter turnouts, for example if a flood hits, or storms on election day.

Makes it easier for small time members of the parties to get elected.

All that would happen if it was changed was that instead of a few states, it would be a few cities.

Right. Wait... that's why... huh? Those are arguments that were made 200 years ago. Are we talking about protecting earmarks for small states like Alaska?