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madskillz said:
Sam Yikin said:
If McCain doesn't deal a knockout blow tonight, (or maybe in the next debate) he's pretty much screwed.

I rest my case. +1 for Yoda.

No knockout blow tonight. Maybe next time.



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fkusumot said:
madskillz said:
Sam Yikin said:
If McCain doesn't deal a knockout blow tonight, (or maybe in the next debate) he's pretty much screwed.

I rest my case. +1 for Yoda.

No knockout blow tonight. Maybe next time.

 

Oh, there was a knock out alright.



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Final-Fan said:
fkusumot said:
halogamer1989 said:
Final-Fan said:
So what branch of the military did you join, HG1989?

None so far but likely Army or AF after college for CO rank.  My uncle was a Marine and my sister's dad was on Seal Team 6 with covert operations in Grenada, Lebanon, Iran, Iraq, Panama, and other spec ops that are still classified Level 5, I think.

edit: My great-grandfather was a CB in the European theater of WWII; my grandfather fought in Korea (that is why I take these jests at me seriously); my father was in the Army Reserve and almost given the green light for Iranian invasion which he said he had about 30 seconds to live upon drop.

Not much of a family history in the military then, eh?

You're not really that serious about it if you aren't already in ROTC. Get with the program!

My generation of my family is the first one in a long time, I think, to not have someone serve in the military.  My dad was in the Navy in Vietnam, his dad was in the Navy in WWII, and SOMEONE was in the Spanish-American War because my family still has what looks to me like a cavalry sword.  I don't know about WWI.  

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fkusumot said:
madskillz said:
Sam Yikin said:
If McCain doesn't deal a knockout blow tonight, (or maybe in the next debate) he's pretty much screwed.

I rest my case. +1 for Yoda.

No knockout blow tonight. Maybe next time.

I'm basing my opinion on what pundits stated (and Yoda) - he needed a knockout blow. With less than a month to go, he needed a homer and definitely could have used a grandslam. He got neither. AP had called it a few weeks ago - and said he was at a political dead-end. With early voting starting, a huge voter drive that tends to favor Dems and this sagging economy and Wall St. woes, this debate had to stop the bleeding. He didn't. He's got a chest wound and thought a pinkie Band-Aid to it.

The biggest thing? McCain was very favored in this kind of debate - the town hall format - but Obama own3d him. Don't believe just me - look at the polls.

 

 



The McCain campaign is totally losing its marbles. Between changing the topic from the economy to personal smears, McCain calling Obama "that one" and using Palin as nothing more than a parrot/attack dog...

They've totally lost it and if they don't get back on track soon, they're done for. I bet McCain now wishes he had chosen someone who knows about the economy for VP.

 



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Jackson50 said:
I have never advocated isolationism. I advocate non-interventionism. I have always advocated free trade and free cultural exchange. These two areas helped build the US into a soft-power superpower. Unfortunately, our interventionist policies in conflicts and other nation’s affairs has damaged our reputation abroad and has cost us too much “blood and treasure.” 

But humanitarian interventions will never hurt our reputation, and defending our interests abroad helps us in the long run as long as we are doing it intelligently.  (i.e. the initial invasion of Afghanistan.) 

So what exactly do you think we need to be non-interventionist about?  The stupid wars?  In that case I completely agree. 



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Final-Fan said:

But humanitarian interventions will never hurt our reputation, and defending our interests abroad helps us in the long run as long as we are doing it intelligently.  (i.e. the initial invasion of Afghanistan.)  

So what exactly do you think we need to be non-interventionist about?  The stupid wars?  In that case I completely agree. 

As I have earlier stated, it is not solely about our reputation. We also have no business intervening when it is not a national defense issue. You could make the argument that OEF-A was a defensive operation, so I can see why that war made sense. I think non-interventionism should be at the center of our foreign policy. Not solely in regards to our military actions, but also in regards to our intelligence agencies. The CIA has continually inserted itself into the affairs of sovereign nations. The consequences of these actions have come back to haunt us. Whether it is US funding of terrorist organizations such as Jundallah or other such activities, these intrusions must end. 

 



akuma587 said:
Final-Fan said:

My generation of my family is the first one in a long time, I think, to not have someone serve in the military.  My dad was in the Navy in Vietnam, his dad was in the Navy in WWII, and SOMEONE was in the Spanish-American War because my family still has what looks to me like a cavalry sword.  I don't know about WWI.  

I can beat you all!

I am related to Andrew Jackson!

Now too bad I hate the bastard's guts...

That depends on what you mean by beat. I'm a direct descendant of Charlemagne.

I'm a retired Army Officer. My father and three uncles are retired military officers and they all served in Vietnam and one in Korea. One uncle dead in Vietnam. Grandfather a retired Army Officer who was on Ike's staff during the North African Campaign. Two uncles dead in WWII. Great-Grandfather a retired Army Officer who served in WWI. Great-Great-Grandfather fought in the battle of Massass and the 2nd Battle of Bull Run, where he was wounded. Great-Great-Great-Great-Great-Grandfather fought in the War of Independence.

I have five relatives interred at Arlington National Cemetery.

As far as the election goes, I don't think any of US were qualified to be President of the United States based on our military service.



Jackson50 said:

Final-Fan said:
But humanitarian interventions will never hurt our reputation, and defending our interests abroad helps us in the long run as long as we are doing it intelligently.  (i.e. the initial invasion of Afghanistan.)  

So what exactly do you think we need to be non-interventionist about?  The stupid wars?  In that case I completely agree. 

As I have earlier stated, it is not solely about our reputation. We also have no business intervening when it is not a national defense issue. You could make the argument that OEF-A was a defensive operation, so I can see why that war made sense. I think non-interventionism should be at the center of our foreign policy. Not solely in regards to our military actions, but also in regards to our intelligence agencies. The CIA has continually inserted itself into the affairs of sovereign nations. The consequences of these actions have come back to haunt us. Whether it is US funding of terrorist organizations such as Jundallah or other such activities, these intrusions must end.

We agree on that. But, on the other hand, things like our actions in Kosovo have, I would argue, actually strengthened our global stature. People are more willing to deal with a country they respect.  So once again I think it comes down to smart intervention versus stupid intervention.



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Kosovo was not a case of "smart intervention." Why the US felt the need to interject itself into a civil war is beyond me.