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Jackson50 on 15 September 2008

"The best prescription Hoover felt was needed was to cut taxes and put more money into the pockets of the rich and their corporations, even as he suggested this would be a fundamental change of governance."

I am not sure what dailykos is, but that statement is an outright lie. Hoover did not cut taxes. On the contrary, he felt he needed to balance the budget and enacted one of the largest peacetime tax increases in US history. The Revenue Act of 1932 raised the income tax, the estate tax and corporate taxes. I would think long and hard about reading a blog that is oblivious to history and facts.



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fkusumot on 15 September 2008
Jackson50 said:

"The best prescription Hoover felt was needed was to cut taxes and put more money into the pockets of the rich and their corporations, even as he suggested this would be a fundamental change of governance."

I am not sure what dailykos is, but that statement is an outright lie. Hoover did not cut taxes. On the contrary, he felt he needed to balance the budget and enacted one of the largest peacetime tax increases in US history. The Revenue Act of 1932 raised the income tax, the estate tax and corporate taxes. I would think long and hard about reading a blog that is oblivious to history and facts.

He said "prescription".

"Hoover attacked Roosevelt as a dangerous radical who would only make the Depression worse by raising taxes and increasing the federal debt..."

It doesn't seem as if what the dailykos said is an outright lie. Or does it to you? Maybe someone could dig up one of Hoover's speeches?



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Jackson50 on 15 September 2008
fkusumot said:
Jackson50 said:

"The best prescription Hoover felt was needed was to cut taxes and put more money into the pockets of the rich and their corporations, even as he suggested this would be a fundamental change of governance."

I am not sure what dailykos is, but that statement is an outright lie. Hoover did not cut taxes. On the contrary, he felt he needed to balance the budget and enacted one of the largest peacetime tax increases in US history. The Revenue Act of 1932 raised the income tax, the estate tax and corporate taxes. I would think long and hard about reading a blog that is oblivious to history and facts.

He said "prescription".

"Hoover attacked Roosevelt as a dangerous radical who would only make the Depression worse by raising taxes and increasing the federal debt..."

It doesn't seem as if what the dailykos said is an outright lie. Or does it to you? Maybe someone could dig up one of Hoover's speeches?

Perhaps I misinterpreted the poster’s meaning, but I still disagree with his comparison of Hoover to McCain in that regard. I am not sure if Hoover ever called Roosevelt a "dangerous radical," but I know Roosevelt wanted to reduce bureaucracy and cut spending. He often criticized Hoover for the large debts that Hoover ran up. That does not sound like a “dangerous radical” to me.

 

 



akuma587 on 15 September 2008

Realclearpolitics has Virginia as tied again.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/va/virginia_mccain_vs_obama-551.html

RCP Average 09/07 - 09/14 -- 48.0 48.0 Tie
FOX News/Rasmussen 09/14 - 09/14 500 LV 48 48 Tie
SurveyUSA 09/12 - 09/14 732 LV 46 50 Obama +4
CNN/Time 09/07 - 09/09 920 RV 50 46 McCain +4



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Galaki on 15 September 2008
super_etecoon said:

Right now they're trying to sell us on hope and promise and we know it's just a bunch of malarky to get us to vote for them.

 

This sounds oddly familiar.

Do either of them have a 10 years plan we can depend on?



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fkusumot on 15 September 2008
Galaki said:
super_etecoon said:

Right now they're trying to sell us on hope and promise and we know it's just a bunch of malarky to get us to vote for them.

This sounds oddly familiar.

Do either of them have a 10 years plan we can depend on?

Yes. There is a ten year plan. It involves selling you a bridge up in Alaska.



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madskillz on 15 September 2008

real clear politics too. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/



madskillz on 15 September 2008
Jackson50 said:

"The best prescription Hoover felt was needed was to cut taxes and put more money into the pockets of the rich and their corporations, even as he suggested this would be a fundamental change of governance."

I am not sure what dailykos is, but that statement is an outright lie. Hoover did not cut taxes. On the contrary, he felt he needed to balance the budget and enacted one of the largest peacetime tax increases in US history. The Revenue Act of 1932 raised the income tax, the estate tax and corporate taxes. I would think long and hard about reading a blog that is oblivious to history and facts.

He made the statement, but he lost the election, so he was never able to do what he suggested.

I do think the more I watch McCain, the more I see him as a man not in control. He is losing it fast.

Due to that, I can not see Palin at the next pres. I would buy Kevlar for me and my fam, some MP5s and tons of ammo to defend myself. Why? We are gonna be phucked.

 



akuma587 on 15 September 2008

McCain "flip-flopped" on what he said earlier today that Madskillz mentioned. He said he will bring transparency to Wall Street by putting more regulations on their activities.



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

Jackson50 on 15 September 2008

madskillz said:

He made the statement, but he lost the election, so he was never able to do what he suggested.

I do think the more I watch McCain, the more I see him as a man not in control. He is losing it fast.

Due to that, I can not see Palin at the next pres. I would buy Kevlar for me and my fam, some MP5s and tons of ammo to defend myself. Why? We are gonna be phucked.

 

The only problem I have with the assertion that Hoover wanted to make the "rich even more rich" is that it is antithetical to his views. In his inauguration speech, Hoover advocated a “kindler, gentler” form of capitalism that spread the benefits more evenly amongst the population. He was often critical of laissez-faire economics for their perceived negative effect on the less fortunate. If Roosevelt is seen as the progressive who championed the poor and the working class, I would have to say the same for Hoover. Roosevelt’s policies were basically a continuation and an expansion of Hoover’s policies. In fact, Hoover’s opponent in 1928, Al Smith, accused Hoover of being a “radical” who would increase spending and so on.