Figure this both parties have their own private agendas that basically goes against everything they are saying and that they will actually help the American people.

The only candidates that really are not talking through their teeth are the 3rd parties who are the average joes who see how things are ran and want to get things right.

ummm.. why do we care? We all know they both suck. Just try to figure out which one will do less damage to the country and vote for him....

I'm going to skip debating over the first paragraph because they are your beliefs and there's not much I'm going to be able to do to change them. However, this quote makes me question your argument:

"What has pissed me off to no end is the fact that Obama is trying to make himself look like a saint and paint McCain as an evil lying freak. The problem is the Obama Acolytes like many of you actually believe all of this."

Uhh, where do you get this from? There have been dozens of speeches where Obama has called McCain a great American, or said that McCain loves his country, but that his policies aren't the best for the future of America. How much ass kissing is enough for Obama to not look like an elitist in the eyes of those who view him that way? And there you go, referring to Obama supporters as "Acolytes." Should I refer to McCain supporters as "McCain Acolytes?" After all, I see far fewer threads from Obama fans worshiping the ground he walks on as McCain threads of the same nature, at least on this forum. And McCain supporters are no less brainwashed than Obama supporters, and you know it.

But you keep on mentioning that McCain/Palin do just as much lying and spinning, and I've already depieced your argument that Obama is somehow trying to make himself look like a saint, so where does this incessant hate come from?

Yet for me, the more I hear about Barack Hussein Obama, the more I like him. Strange though that I've never heard you include McCain's middle name when you refer to him. You must be downing 'dat Kool-aid to come up with lines like that. But wait a second! Acolytes? Kool-aid? What kind of clubs have you been hanging out in Bigjon? That's c-c-c-c-c-crazy!!!

Well, when Karl Rove is saying this about you, as a republican....hmmmm....

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/14/campaign.wrap/index.html

Come on...you kidding me!

"All I can said is everytime I hear Barack Hussien Obama I like him less."

Statements like that just clearly lets me know where you're coming from?

Another whopper from bigjon.

1. Palin supported the Bridge to Nowhere before it was brought into the national spotlight and gained so much negative attention. 

2. John McCain said the same thing about Hillary Clinton.

3. Palin asked for earmarks as govenor and mayor.  As govenor she went as far as to hire a lobbyist, a big step for a town of 9,000 people.

4. How is telling kids to tell their parents or teachers about people touching in wrong ways inapporpriate?  Obama, opposed to sexual child abuse, bigjon cries in his pillow.

Ahhh, no no no, I don't want to know anything about Hussein Obama, all my love belongs to McCain.

All hail John McCain!

Barack Hussein Obama?

Oh, for fuck's sake. If that isn't the most feeble attempt at fear-mongering, I don't know what is.

Good god, he couldn't be a good president. He has a furrin soundin name. Let's not focus on issues, instead we'll just pander to xenophobes and racists.

Just to mock them I want to get a bumper sticker that says Obama bin Biden '08 and has "Change we can believe in" written in Arabic.

I included his middle name to see how you would react. And I must say you did exactly what I thought you would. I think it is funny how people flip out so bad when some used his middle name. So it is fear mongering to say his middle name? I do not know McCain's to tell you the truth, but I might have heard it once. The word Acolyte is in refference to the strick devotion many Obama followers display. They are saying fricken ridiculous things like Jesus was a community organizer on Pontius Pilate was a Governer (the Comparison there is Obama and Palin for you slower folk). Please tell me that is not an Acolytish. A Democratic Congressmen said that on the house floor btw.

You just had to bring up the kool-aid Montana? You and a couple of others use that like it is going out of style.

Here is where I got the Obama says McCain is one nasty dude. http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/13/campaign.wrap/index.html

one thing I think you guys are not getting here is I am not a huge McCain supporter, I do not worship the ground he walks on and such. I original decided on him because there was just too many question marks about Obama, and he is the safe pick. Only now am I really starting to be repulsed by Obama. Read my earlier post from 2 weeks ago. I did not dislike Obama. I just thought people were stupid for blindly following his rhetoric when he had nothing to back it up. I was not an Obama supporter by any stretch of the imagination, but it was nothing I did not like about him as a person.

the main reason I am so pro-mccain as of now is because of the politician Obama has become.

@Justus Magus-

The pig lip stick was stupid from both sides, Obama should not have used it after Palin said that Joke in front of 40 million viewers. And the McCain campaing should not have reacted the way they did. But the accusations of Lying are just too much. The bridge to nowhere, I heard on CNN (somewhat leftist, but not like NBC) that Palin was being honest about opposing it, she just should have made it more clear in her speech so not to open herself up to attack. The theory about here only backing off when with pressure is new to me, but I am open to it (as long as the evidence is not from leftist blogs)  Also, I do not believe it is a school job to teach kindergardners sex ed. That is what parents are for. That a good example of the fundelmental reason I disagree with the far left. If it was up to them they would have a bureau to help people wipe their asses.

Also justus thank you for being civil in your disagreement with me. I respect that.

 There are so many things that the American people do not know about Barack Hussein Obama! It is every American's duty to read this message and pass it along to all of their friends and loved ones.

Barack Obama wears a FLAG PIN at all times. Even in the shower.

Barack Obama says the PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE every time he sees an American flag. He also ends every sentence by saying, "WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL." Click here for video of Obama quietly mouthing the PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE in his sleep.

A tape exists of Michelle Obama saying the PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE at a conference on PATRIOTISM.

Every weekend, Barack and Michelle take their daughters HUNTING.

Barack Obama is a PATRIOTIC AMERICAN. He has one HAND over his HEART at all times. He occasionally switches when one arm gets tired, which is almost never because he is STRONG.

Barack Obama has the DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE tattooed on his stomach. It's upside-down, so he can read it while doing sit-ups.

There's only one artist on Barack Obama's iPod: FRANCIS SCOTT KEY.

Barack Obama is a DEVOUT CHRISTIAN. His favorite book is the BIBLE, which he has memorized. His name means HE WHO LOVES JESUS in the ancient language of Aramaic. He is PROUD that Jesus was an American.

Barack Obama goes to church every morning. He goes to church every afternoon. He goes to church every evening. He is IN CHURCH RIGHT NOW.

Barack Obama's new airplane includes a conference room, a kitchen, and a MEGACHURCH.

Barack Obama's skin is the color of AMERICAN SOIL.

Barack Obama buys AMERICAN STUFF. He owns a FORD, a BASEBALL TEAM, and a COMPUTER HE BUILT HIMSELF FROM AMERICAN PARTS. He travels mostly by FORKLIFT.

When Barack Obama puts lipstick on pigs he uses three colors: RED, WHITE and BLUE.

Barack Obama says that Americans cling to GUNS and RELIGION because they are AWESOME.