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heruamon on 11 September 2008
z101 said:
No I dont' see that MS is capable to generate something special. Lets face the facts: MS ist to old fashioned to generate something. The tradition of MS is to copy sucessfull products or features. But in the long years MS exists, they could not even one big thing that they originally invented. MS is following the tradition, they copy the Miis they will copy the wiimote in some way.

Look at their console ... everyone expected something special from the first xbox. But it was only a flatten out pc.

The strongest point of the xbox experience is the XBL portion, so who did they copy that from?  WRT copying the Mii from Wii...roflol...sony copied trophies, so there a diffference between completing swiping something and offering nothing new (As seems to be the case with trophies, imho) and taking an idea and using it as the basis for something more.  There is going to be core team of creative types at MGS that will start to deliver...much sooner than expect...



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HanzoTheRazor on 11 September 2008

One thing they excell at tho is online. This is the main reason they got into the console industry in the 1st place, to control online gaming and such, like they control OS.



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Squilliam on 11 September 2008
z101 said:
No I dont' see that MS is capable to generate something special. Lets face the facts: MS ist to old fashioned to generate something. The tradition of MS is to copy sucessfull products or features. But in the long years MS exists, they could not even one big thing that they originally invented. MS is following the tradition, they copy the Miis they will copy the wiimote in some way.

Look at their console ... everyone expected something special from the first xbox. But it was only a flatten out pc.

Or they will take the research and development for the interface of their next OS and use it to make something that will blow away the Wiimote?

I've tried the latest office interface and its something that other Open Office etc will look to copy not the other way around. But in any case I don't get why people are so up tight about how Microsoft doesn't innovate on their core products like Office and Windows when they can't quite frankly. Since everyone knows how to use Windows as it is, they can't just go and change it nor can they drop legacy support at the flick of a switch. Its the same as GM who can't change the basic layout of a car, and even cars which are too innovative visually won't sell.

 



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heruamon on 11 September 2008
Squilliam said:
z101 said:
No I dont' see that MS is capable to generate something special. Lets face the facts: MS ist to old fashioned to generate something. The tradition of MS is to copy sucessfull products or features. But in the long years MS exists, they could not even one big thing that they originally invented. MS is following the tradition, they copy the Miis they will copy the wiimote in some way.

Look at their console ... everyone expected something special from the first xbox. But it was only a flatten out pc.

Or they will take the research and development for the interface of their next OS and use it to make something that will blow away the Wiimote?

I've tried the latest office interface and its something that other Open Office etc will look to copy not the other way around. But in any case I don't get why people are so up tight about how Microsoft doesn't innovate on their core products like Office and Windows when they can't quite frankly. Since everyone knows how to use Windows as it is, they can't just go and change it nor can they drop legacy support at the flick of a switch. Its the same as GM who can't change the basic layout of a car, and even cars which are too innovative visually won't sell.

 

Some people are always trying to sell you that idea about pet rocks being all the rage.  While windows based computing isn't the best, it's not bad at all...by a longshot.  My wife recent get her new Mac, and she's not being as happy as Apple will lead us to believe about the Macs.  I'm happy with my PC tech, as I understand it, and I've been messing around with it for nearly 25 years now.  M$ is an iterative company, since it's oooh...one of the largest tech company in the world...things have to be done in spiral improvements...google will soon learn that lesson.

 



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swyggi on 11 September 2008
WessleWoggle said:
786_ali said:
XBox 360 is pathetic.

RROD is the biggest factor in their pathetic-ness.

Why buy something that is gonna break any second.

I was gonna buy one but changed my mind cos of it.

I am sure many other people have done the same.

 

By that logic, we shouldn't buy anything because everything breaks.

 

Keywords: "any second"

And without even touching it in some cases.

 



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Goddbless on 11 September 2008
swyggi said:
WessleWoggle said:
786_ali said:
XBox 360 is pathetic.

RROD is the biggest factor in their pathetic-ness.

Why buy something that is gonna break any second.

I was gonna buy one but changed my mind cos of it.

I am sure many other people have done the same.

 

By that logic, we shouldn't buy anything because everything breaks.

 

Keywords: "any second"

And without even touching it in some cases.

 

The MS hate is strong in here...

 



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jenny on 11 September 2008

The silver lining is that they are starting to become a "real game studio" now. They are starting to build things in house rather than contracting them out and they are cutting out the middle men. They are becomming profitable and they drastically shrank Sony's marketshare from the last generation. They have already matched the sales of the original Xbox and sold numerous times over the amount of software sold that the original Xbox did.



El Duderino on 11 September 2008
Squilliam said:
z101 said:
No I dont' see that MS is capable to generate something special. Lets face the facts: MS ist to old fashioned to generate something. The tradition of MS is to copy sucessfull products or features. But in the long years MS exists, they could not even one big thing that they originally invented. MS is following the tradition, they copy the Miis they will copy the wiimote in some way.

Look at their console ... everyone expected something special from the first xbox. But it was only a flatten out pc.

Or they will take the research and development for the interface of their next OS and use it to make something that will blow away the Wiimote?

I've tried the latest office interface and its something that other Open Office etc will look to copy not the other way around. But in any case I don't get why people are so up tight about how Microsoft doesn't innovate on their core products like Office and Windows when they can't quite frankly. Since everyone knows how to use Windows as it is, they can't just go and change it nor can they drop legacy support at the flick of a switch. Its the same as GM who can't change the basic layout of a car, and even cars which are too innovative visually won't sell.

 

Yeah its funny how many people think microsoft is bad because they don´t change or inovate... then the very same people go play a plumber or elf and chase the same dragon or wizard they have been chasing for over twenty years... some things are good the way they are... inovation for the pure sake of inovation is a failure in itself...

I like playing the same old plumber and chasing the same old dragon... I also like windows xp... I like the Wii-mote but some games just play better with a gamepad... some games are screaming for a reinvention... with other games it would be a crime to change the formula... one has to be very careful and wise when chosing what needs to be preserved and what needs to be reinvented...

 

A little food for thought

Most popular game of all times: Chess

Change to the game in the last 1000 years ??? Very very very little...

Why ??? Improving perfection is damn hard...

 



 

 

 

heruamon on 11 September 2008
jenny said:
The silver lining is that they are starting to become a "real game studio" now. They are starting to build things in house rather than contracting them out and they are cutting out the middle men. They are becomming profitable and they drastically shrank Sony's marketshare from the last generation. They have already matched the sales of the original Xbox and sold numerous times over the amount of software sold that the original Xbox did.

Yep!  M$ is moving into the next phase to align the next console for the gaming sphere.  There will be launch titles we can sink our teeth into, unlike in the past, and you can only do that with in-house capability.

 



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woopah on 11 September 2008

yeah microsoft need a strong first party because whatever they say exclusivity does matter



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