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TheRealMafoo said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
"Keep in mind that technically, had I meant it this way, she would be the lipstick," Obama added, referring to GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin. "The policies of John McCain would be the pig."

 

Umm... I thought that's how he really did mean it. If that's not what he meant when he said it, what did he mean?

 

 If you can't figure out what this means:

“John McCain says he’s about change, too — except for economic policy, health care policy, tax policy, education policy, foreign policy and Karl Rove-style politics. That’s just calling the same thing something different. You can put lipstick on a pig; it’s still a pig. You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change; it’s still going to stink after eight years."

You should work on your reading comprehension.

 



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Paul said:
TheRealMafoo said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
"Keep in mind that technically, had I meant it this way, she would be the lipstick," Obama added, referring to GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin. "The policies of John McCain would be the pig."

 

Umm... I thought that's how he really did mean it. If that's not what he meant when he said it, what did he mean?

 

 If you can't figure out what this means:

“John McCain says he’s about change, too — except for economic policy, health care policy, tax policy, education policy, foreign policy and Karl Rove-style politics. That’s just calling the same thing something different. You can put lipstick on a pig; it’s still a pig. You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change; it’s still going to stink after eight years."

You should work on your reading comprehension.

John McCain wants to change the change.  That means he would change the change Americans want and bring it back to the change that is George W. Bush's policies.



The Ghost of RubangB said:
He wasn't talking about Palin at all. He was talking about McCain pretending to be a new guy all about change, because he's been the same guy for 26 years. The old McCain was the pig, and the new McCain "change" strategy is the lipstick.

 

 RubangB has been working on his reading comprehension. Good job RubangB.



"You can put lipstick on a pig - its still a pig. You can wrap a piece of old fish in a piece of paper and call it change, its still going to stink after 8 years."

I think only a fool would argue that he wasn't alluding to Sarah Palin (a woman who's most famous quote to date involves her being a bulldog with lipstic on) and John McCain (a man who is constantly criticized for being old) with this quote. I think the association he wanted to make was quite a bit different than the one he did make (I assume he wanted people to associate Sarah Palin with pork filled bills/earmarks) and didn't think about the negative connotations of calling a woman a pig.



HappySqurriel said:

"You can put lipstick on a pig - its still a pig. You can wrap a piece of old fish in a piece of paper and call it change, its still going to stink after 8 years."

I think only a fool would argue that he wasn't alluding to Sarah Palin (a woman who's most famous quote to date involves her being a bulldog with lipstic on) and John McCain (a man who is constantly criticized for being old) with this quote. I think the association he wanted to make was quite a bit different than the one he did make (I assume he wanted people to associate Sarah Palin with pork filled bills/earmarks) and didn't think about the negative connotations of calling a woman a pig.

 

I think you're reading waaaaay too much into that. It's a common used phrase, McCain used it referring to Hillary, Dick Cheney used it reffering to John Kerry, Obama used it referring to McCain. It didn't mean anything other than what he said, what McCain said, what Cheney said, and what a thousand other politicians said. There is no second level that is sexist, or trying to tie it to Palin's porkbarrel spending. The rest is just bullshit politics.



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This just in....Michelle Obama wears lipstick at home!!! McCain says this is a gross disrespect, drawing attention to Palin's being kept out of the public eye, which obviously is not true seeing as how she was just allowed to be interviewed by one news source. Low Blow, Michelle, LOW....BLOW.



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The_vagabond7 said:
HappySqurriel said:

"You can put lipstick on a pig - its still a pig. You can wrap a piece of old fish in a piece of paper and call it change, its still going to stink after 8 years."

I think only a fool would argue that he wasn't alluding to Sarah Palin (a woman who's most famous quote to date involves her being a bulldog with lipstic on) and John McCain (a man who is constantly criticized for being old) with this quote. I think the association he wanted to make was quite a bit different than the one he did make (I assume he wanted people to associate Sarah Palin with pork filled bills/earmarks) and didn't think about the negative connotations of calling a woman a pig.

 

I think you're reading waaaaay too much into that. It's a common used phrase, McCain used it referring to Hillary, Dick Cheney used it reffering to John Kerry, Obama used it referring to McCain. It didn't mean anything other than what he said, what McCain said, what Cheney said, and what a thousand other politicians said. There is no second level that is sexist, or trying to tie it to Palin's porkbarrel spending. The rest is just bullshit politics.

I think you're being fairly naive ...

Modern politicians tend not to write their own speeches, and their speeches are analyzed to the point where most of the implications and interpretations of the speech are well known; I don't think this association could be accidential.

 

Anyways, I think the more interesting thing is that Obama has let this become as large and well known of a mistake as it has become; it may not be the largest political mis-step ever, but it has taken the coverage of him away from the big speeches which is where he is the most successful.

 



i do belive sarah pallin is a pig, she's hot but she is probably a crasy conservative right winger, she and McCain will bring back america, *the greatest country on earth*, back to the stone age IMO



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The_vagabond7 said:

For the love of mother, IT'S POLITICAL. He said that about McCain, not Sarah Palin. And McCain used that exact same analogy about Hillary Clinton. Politics disgusts me.

 

 

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=41396&start=0

 

 

 

 

Correct answer. You gotta gie McCain credit for spinning that WAY to his advantage though. Very smasrt move on McCains part, but Obama's comment didn't really have any meaning.



The_vagabond7 said:
HappySqurriel said:

"You can put lipstick on a pig - its still a pig. You can wrap a piece of old fish in a piece of paper and call it change, its still going to stink after 8 years."

I think only a fool would argue that he wasn't alluding to Sarah Palin (a woman who's most famous quote to date involves her being a bulldog with lipstic on) and John McCain (a man who is constantly criticized for being old) with this quote. I think the association he wanted to make was quite a bit different than the one he did make (I assume he wanted people to associate Sarah Palin with pork filled bills/earmarks) and didn't think about the negative connotations of calling a woman a pig.

 

I think you're reading waaaaay too much into that. It's a common used phrase, McCain used it referring to Hillary, Dick Cheney used it reffering to John Kerry, Obama used it referring to McCain. It didn't mean anything other than what he said, what McCain said, what Cheney said, and what a thousand other politicians said. There is no second level that is sexist, or trying to tie it to Palin's porkbarrel spending. The rest is just bullshit politics.

I agree, that's way overanalyzing this. Are we all so paranoid whenever there is an election that everything said must have some latent meaning.

I don't know what is more bothersome to me, this entire fiasco or the Tucker Bounds interview with Campbell Brown which resulted in John McCain pulling his interview from Larry King... but that's a completely other event actually worth discussing.