I think Sony needed to justify a $500-600 purchase this year. I don't think they did.

I think MS needed to bury Sony. I don't thik they did (any legal ramifications for underscoring how many 2007 Sony "exclusives" will be on 360 next year?), though there's still time for a substantial price cut.

I think Nintendo needed to assure its base that 3 party support will bethere. I don't think it did.

I willing to concede the notion Sony won the conferences, but unless the hands on and post-E3 press coverage goes overwhelmingly in their favor, I don't see any company having done anything to move the market one way or another. Years of Nintendo "winning" E3 never helped move the market in their favor; I see no reason why this will be different.

In my book, maintaining the status quo is a win for Nintendo, and a loss for Sony (though without a MS price cut, it gains at least a ray of hope), and a question mark for Microsoft, who's still in the lead, but in danger of losing it soon, and not out of Sony's reach in 2008.

DKII said: hehe i was just playing off kwaad always predicting ps3 sales to double after shows like GDC sony had a good show but there was still little new shown, lots of nice trailers at the end tho and they have a strong first-party to take advantage of unlike MS who mostly showed third-party multiplats summary: psp redesign and new colors. echochrome for psn. ut3, haze timed exclusives for the holidays. new infamous game. nice-looking mgs4, kz2 trailers but nothing new really shown about it. that's about it as far as games go. it basically wins by default. compared to last year tho this year was great hehe. no memorable quotes this time around, sad.

Of course there were... "You can pause!"

albionus said: ckmlb said: Wow, I just had a flashback to what Nintendo fanboys were saying 5 years ago.

 So lemme get this straight, to you personally what matters more the games or the sales of the company? I can completely live with Sony ending up 3rd as long as PS3 keeps going and there is a PS4.

The price started Sony very badly in this gen and the yare paying for it now, but for me I want the games to play on my PS3 and Wii and 360 and this conference had what I wanted.

One E3 doesn't change the whole generation or anything, I am just saying Sony owned E3 this year. The rest of the year they will still probably sell the least in the US because of the price but they have a shot at taking on MS worldwide for sure with all these games coming and the effort they are putting.  

ckmlb said: 3 PM PSN is supposed to get an update, I expect Lair and Heavenly Sword demos and Killlzone 2 and MGS 4 videos.

 Go to PSN, Go to 'videos' Click the MGS banner thingie. That takes you to the E3 menu. (havent found another way there yet)

ckmlb said: 1. I love how the Nintendo fanboys can't argue that the E3 was better for Nintendo so keep going: 'predict sales!'. 2. Game quality easily for me beats sales. Do you get anything out of a company selling more? no, but you get from playing the games. 3. Sony delivered and my expectations were really high. 4. Hell the most Anti Sony people can't find much negative to say about this E3.

1. I love how Sony fanboys can't convince anyone other than themselves that these games will save the PS3. I'm sorry, I don't mean to bash, but after Ninja Gaiden's flop, what do you honestly want these games to do. Killzone looks uterly breathtaking! But after the first one's mediocre success, who outside of the hardcore minority is going to care?

2. If by Game quality you mean better graphics. Game quality is a subjective standard and something assigned invidividually and after the fact, not an objective rule. And by my company selling more, I get more games, more exclusives and an angry fandom of Sony fanboys who can't stand the fact that things for the PS3 are looking grimmer and grimmer financially. By your logic of self-attributed value, I could say the Wii has the quality games and be just as justified as it is nothing more than an opinion to begin with. The only reason you act like Sales don't matter now is because you don't have them. Nintendo has never been the best in graphics and it doesn't need to start being the best now. I'll take Game quality over graphics anyday. :)

3. Graphically the PS3 will always deliver and will always meet the expectations of those looking to see beautiful games.

4. Maybe they just realize that this thread is perfectly suitable as its own venue for Sony fans and other interested parties to discuss a particular event, not bash other consoles. It's not that there aren't things to bash, its just somewhat lacking prudence when the thread itself is designed to praise Sony. We had to deal with you folk in the Nintendo Conference thread, don't act like this is anything new.

NJ5 said: ckmlb said: I love how the Nintendo fanboys can't argue that the E3 was better for Nintendo so keep going: 'predict sales!'. Game quality easily for me beats sales. Do you get anything out of a company selling more? no, but you get from playing the games. Sony delivered and my expectations were really high. Hell the most Anti Sony people can't find much negative to say about this E3. Have you noticed which site you're at? That's right, a sales website. Does it surprise you that people discuss sales?

 It doesn't, I discuss sales too but games > sales by a wide margin.

Gballzack said: ckmlb said: 1. I love how the Nintendo fanboys can't argue that the E3 was better for Nintendo so keep going: 'predict sales!'. 2. Game quality easily for me beats sales. Do you get anything out of a company selling more? no, but you get from playing the games. 3. Sony delivered and my expectations were really high. 4. Hell the most Anti Sony people can't find much negative to say about this E3. 1. I love how Sony fanboys can't convince anyone other than themselves that these games will save the PS3. I'm sorry, I don't mean to bash, but after Ninja Gaiden's flop, what do you honestly want these games to do. Killzone looks uterly breathtaking! But after the first one's mediocre success, who outside of the hardcore minority is going to care? 2. If by Game quality you mean better graphics. Game quality is a subjective standard and something assigned invidividually and after the fact, not an objective rule. And by my company selling more, I get more games, more exclusives and an angry fandom of Sony fanboys who can't stand the fact that things for the PS3 are looking grimmer and grimmer financially. By your logic of self-attributed value, I could say the Wii has the quality games and be just as justified as it is nothing more than an opinion to begin with. The only reason you act like Sales don't matter now is because you don't have them. Nintendo has never been the best in graphics and it doesn't need to start being the best now. I'll take Game quality over graphics anyday. :) 3. Graphically the PS3 will always deliver and will always meet the expectations of those looking to see beautiful games. 4. Maybe they just realize that this thread is perfectly suitable as its own venue for Sony fans and other interested parties to discuss a particular event, not bash other consoles. It's not that there aren't things to bash, its just somewhat lacking prudence when the thread itself is designed to praise Sony. We had to deal with you folk in the Nintendo Conference thread, don't act like this is anything new.

 Not this again, why do you insist on making a whole essay every tim. This will go on forever. Good luck with your trolling I am off.

funny no wii fanboys baned for their bs yet.

yet one contrevesial yet TRUE post from me in the nintendo thread and bam your ass is out.

Kwaad said: ckmlb said: 3 PM PSN is supposed to get an update, I expect Lair and Heavenly Sword demos and Killlzone 2 and MGS 4 videos. Go to PSN, Go to 'videos' Click the MGS banner thingie. That takes you to the E3 menu. (havent found another way there yet)

 Thanks they got UT 3 video too, very nice.

ckmlb said: I love how the Nintendo fanboys can't argue that the E3 was better for Nintendo so keep going: 'predict sales!'. Game quality easily for me beats sales. Do you get anything out of a company selling more? no, but you get from playing the games. Sony delivered and my expectations were really high. Hell the most Anti Sony people can't find much negative to say about this E3.

  I love how the Sony fanboys can't argue that the E3 was better for Sony so keep going: 'Sony 0wn3d E3! H0Ly CrAp!'.

High game sales eventually means more games and more quality. Do you get anything out of a company selling more? Yes, more games from third parties and viable game exclusivity for them.

Sony delivered because I had no expectations.

Hell the most Anti Nintendo people can't find much negative to say about this E3, just mock everything new they show, as they mocked the DS and the Wii when they were shown.