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ZenfoldorVGI said:

Now 60 hours in. Just past the first time you can access the hotsprings. 80 man melee defeated. I have to admit to you now, this is one of my favorite games of all time.

@outlawauron

The game is longer than I originally through. As for side quests:

Once you get free range, go sleep at the guild city several times and you'll get an important arte for Karol(You'll see, it's great). The sidequests are basically, revisit cities you've been in and talk to new people/sleep at the inn and get scenes.

You get a score at the end of each battle. It's like +.45 or something like that. It gives you a score on how well you fought. At the end of the game, you go to a one time store where you can spend all the score you've accumulated on stuff that will be carried over to a 2nd playthrough. For instance, you can buy like Exp x10, or you can keep all your arts. That's if you wanna play through a second time.

@troll

I'm sure ToS2 will be great, but degrading ToV isn't necessary. I'm sure that you've played the 60 hour game, yet didn't feel like making your review longer than "ist not bad, but not very good either." but I think you have no clue what you're talking about. I don't think you've ever played the game, and I doubt you're capable of reviewing anything, even if you had played it. Keep up the fight though.

I see. Kinda lame to call those things side quests. Im going through the world now and sleeping at every inn again.

I see about the grade thing. I think doing the secret missions will help me out. And the Karol skill, meh. I don't use Karol in battle. Raven and Judith are MUCH  better.

My Party:

1. Yuri
2. Estelle
3. Judith (if not then Rita)
4. Raven (if not then Repede)



"We'll toss the dice however they fall,
And snuggle the girls be they short or tall,
Then follow young Mat whenever he calls,
To dance with Jak o' the Shadows."

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Shadowblind said:
mrstickball said:
z101 said:
Tales of Vesperia ist not bad, but not very good either. Tales of Symphonia 2 is much better.

Care to state reasons why, rather than troll? Consider this an unofficial warning.

 

 

Its almost like they don't(or can't) think before they post.


@stickball: Is this 33k for certain? If it is, I have little doubt its due to Namdai's massive cluster**** of the games shipping and ads. But 33k...Its gotta be more then that...

33k number came from Edge , he does monthy analysis of NPD # and post article every month after NPD number come out. He has access to NPD numbers.  He said ToV came in at #58 for the month of August. 

If ES does only 40k for the entire month then I guess ToV with limited numbers, small venues (I think only Amazon and GameStop carry it).

@stickball, my kids let me catch up with them (they are stuck but I told them I refuse to play with them because they were so far ahead of me).  I am working this week so play time is limited.

BTW, I don't know if any of you get Edge (it's UK mag) but I think its a great mag and only print magazine I subscribe to (not counting the Game Informer freebie since it's essentially a giant advertising pamplet for GameStop).  The news section is old but they often have nice interview with developers and they do good in depth look at games not to mention they also they have a very pretty layout.

 



Shadowblind said:
mrstickball said:
z101 said:
Tales of Vesperia ist not bad, but not very good either. Tales of Symphonia 2 is much better.

Care to state reasons why, rather than troll? Consider this an unofficial warning.

 

 

Its almost like they don't(or can't) think before they post.


@stickball: Is this 33k for certain? If it is, I have little doubt its due to Namdai's massive cluster**** of the games shipping and ads. But 33k...Its gotta be more then that...

 

Betting on the wrong horse makes people say weird things =/





Current-gen game collection uploaded on the profile, full of win and good games; also most of my PC games. Lucasfilm Games/LucasArts 1982-2008 (Requiescat In Pace).

outlawauron said:

I see. Kinda lame to call those things side quests. Im going through the world now and sleeping at every inn again.

I see about the grade thing. I think doing the secret missions will help me out. And the Karol skill, meh. I don't use Karol in battle. Raven and Judith are MUCH  better.

My Party:

1. Yuri
2. Estelle
3. Judith (if not then Rita)
4. Raven (if not then Repede)

My party is Yuri, Estelle, Judith, and Rita.

The real sidequests come at chapter 3, with the dog hunt, antlion sidequests, fel-arms, air-krene, casino village, and hot springs stuff. Plus the level 4 and 5 sorcerer's ring, and the hidden chests.

There are also weapons that increase in power with enemy kills, and a hidden difficulty, along with uber-gear sidequests for all your characters.

 

On grade shop:

The order is as such.
GRADE option: GRADE price: Effect

Max 99 items: 400: Posess up to 99 of each item

items: 500: Inherit items from last playthrough(Not Valuable items)

Gald: 1000: Inherit Gald from previous playthrough

Titles: 500: Inherit titles from last playthrough

Collector's book: 10: Inherit information in Collector's book

Enemy book: 10: Inherit information in Enemy book

Recipes: 10: Inherit all recipes learned in previous playthrough

Cooking Skill: 50: Inherit current cooking skill level

World Map: 300: Inherit Town and Dungeon information on World Map

Craft Skill: 10: Inherit current craft skill level

Records: 10: Inherit current information listed in "Records" menu

Artes: 1000: Inherit all artes from previous playthrough. This option is for all characters.

Skill: 1000: Inherit all skills from previous playthrough. This option is for all characters.

Yuri artes and skills: 350: Inherit Artes,Artes usage status, and skills from previous
playthrough for Yuri.

Estelle Artes and Skills: 350: Inherit Artes,Artes usage status, and skills from previous playthrough for Estelle.

Karol Artes and Skills: 350: Inherit Artes,Artes usage status, and skills from previous playthrough for Karol.

Rita Artes and Skills: 350: Inherit Artes,Artes usage status, and skills from previous playthrough for Rita.

Raven Artes and Skills: 350: Inherit Artes,Artes usage status, and skills from previous playthrough for Raven.

Judith Artes and Skills: 350: Inherit Artes,Artes usage status, and skills from previous playthrough for Judith.

Repede Artes and Skills: 350: Inherit Artes,Artes usage, and skills from previous playthrough for Repede.

Increase Max HP: 500: Start game with maximum HP increased by 20%. Cannot be used with "Decrease Max HP."

Decrease Max HP: 10: Start game with maximum HP decreased by 20%. Cannot be used with "Increase Max HP."

Increase Max TP: 500: Start game with maximum TP increased by 20%. Cannot be used with "Decrease Max TP."

Decrease Max TP: 10: Start game with maximum TP decreased by 20%. Cannot be used with "Increase Max TP."

2X Gald: 600: Earn twice the amount of Gald in battle

Increase Over Limit: 1000: Doubles speed at which Overlimit gauge fills.

1/2 Experience: 10: Decrease amount of Exp. earned to half. Cannot be used with other Exp. related options.

Double Exp.: 1000: Earn twice the normal Exp. in battle. Cannot be used with other Exp. related options.

10X Exp.: 3000: Earn 10x normal Exp. in battle. Cannot be used with other Exp. related options.

2X Grade: 3000: Earn twice the amount of GRADE.

Skill SP 1: 3000: Reduce SP consumption for using skills to 1

Increase item drop rate: 1000: Doubles chance of aquiring items from battle.

Battle Techniques: 50: Set Exp. value to 1 and increase bonus Exp. by 5.

Unlock Battle Rank: 50: Unlock battle difficulty "UNKNOWN"

Unlock all Skits: 1000: You can view all skits on the skit player at Nam Cobanda Isle located somewhere in this world.

 

grinding grade:

Welch_Vineyard
Posted 9/4/2008 12:45:47 AM
message detail     Hay guys lets talk about getting grade.

You may have noticed that, if you've been playing the Tales series for a while, you're getting an absurd amount of grade for your fights! Do not panic, Banco merely upgraded the prices for everything and instead are ruining your dreams of running around with enough grade to get everything.

But don't fret! With the absurd amount of grade that you get, it was only natural that, infact, there would be a way to exploit it and become showered in delicious grade.

And I, Welch Vineyard, am on the case, here to help you dive in a giant grade pool and drown to death in it.

Let's start now with...

The basics

Clearly, you should be near the end of the game. Just to make it clear, the end of the game has nothing to do with The Enduring Shrine of Zaude.

You will want the Level 4 Sorcerer's Ring. Head back to Myorzo and talk to the elder to begin the Fell Weapons quest. Afterwards, with the sword Abysson, Head to the Deiser Aer Krene, the rock formation near Nordipolica. If you somehow can't find it, simply fly north from the manor of the wicked. After an event there, head inside and you get your upgraded ring.

You will need these items:

Three Blue Dice: These are upgraded versions of regular dice. However, you only get one regular dice per game. However, two more may be found. One within The Forest of Keiv Moc, behind a bush burnable by your Sorcerer's ring at the end of it, and another in the very last dungeon. If anyone can provide an exact location for this, it would be great.

One Wonder Symbol. This item reduces the time it takes from the casting of a spell to act again. Essential to get out the more spells required.

Because most don't know where to get the skill: Psychadelica +1. Comes with the skill Spell End.
Welch_Vineyard
Posted 9/4/2008 12:47:24 AM
message detail     The artes, skills and your allies

This is the fun part.

Rita Is the star of the show here, and you will be controlling her. The main spells of use with her will be Tidal Wave, Thunder Blade, and in another case not related to farming grade(instead just farming items), Bloody Howling.

Now, Rita's skills are pretty much the important part. She MUST have the following skills:

Minimum Damage - Reduces all damage caused to 1.
Spell End - Preforms like and stacks with the Wonder Symbol
OL Bonus 2 - On occasion fully restores Rita's TP.
OL Boost - Extends the Overlimits time
TP Recover - increases the amount of TP healed from gels.
Reducer - Reduces the TP for a skill being used repeatedly.
Light Magic - Reduces casting time, TP consumption, damage of spells.

Recommended skills: These things can really help
Spirits, 2, 3: Get that TP to 999
Combat Force: Adds even more TP still.
Stun Magic: Can save an accidentally broken chain (see below)

Repede Is the second person in your party. He will restore your TP and do so with a well done attitude. All he requires is the following skills:

Item Thrower: Hurr
Item Pro 3: Increases the effects of items used

The other two party members are unimportant, save that they (and repede) have a blue dice equipped, and have a Taunt skill enabled

Over to the strategy menu.
Don't use the moderate template for this, as it is your normal fighting one. Instead, switch over to one of the others and edit it. Name it grade if you want.

Here is the settings for everyone:

Target: Help Allies
HP: Avoid Risk
TP: Do Not Use
Action: Defend
Position: Keep Distance
:Item Set Repede to Watch TP, otherwise Do Not Use
OVL Do not use
FS: Do Not Use

Behold, your preprations are complete! Now set the game mode to Hard, we're going grade farming.

The Unending Pressing of A

Firstly, sit a good distance from the screen and be prepared to look at a small area of it for ten or so minutes.

Positioned well? Good.

Head to Halure at Night. The monster we are looking for here are Generator Boars (dark blue ugly things). Why?

They are weak to water. This may not be anything interesting at first, since you have minimum damage, but note that hitting something with it's weak element, no matter how much damage you actually do, earns you more grade.

They come in a huge pack. You only need to link two to get this started well. You're looking for a pure 8 Generator boar fight.

And finally, the actual production, what you've been waiting to do all this time.

As the battle starts, MASH that Y button until the menu comes up. Immediately set the strategy to your preset grade one. If you do not have at least one overlimit bar, toss out a limit bottle.

If you had to use a limit bottle: Immediately after you toss the limit bottle out, guard. Most of them will charge Rita, the jerks. When they settle down, Pop your overlimits, level one, out. I doubt you'd have gotten all of them knocked into the air with it, so now proceed to if you didn't have to use one.

If you didn't have to use a limit bottle: Overlimits Level 1(right on the control pad), and immediately cast Thunder Blade.
Welch_Vineyard
Posted 9/4/2008 12:47:42 AM
message detail     Here's the good part now.

Thunder blade will hit the lead monster, and those around it. They will stop, stunned as the second part of the spell hits. By this time, you can start mashing your tidal wave button, hopefully you set it to Neutral A. As the Thunder Blade explodes, it should toss every enemy into the air. That is the good part. This will net you at least a third of your grade if you don't drop them, because from being knocked up, they will land into a tidal wave and, hopefully, juggle infinitely.

Now, all you do is press Tidal Wave. Pay attention to her overlimits bar and use level 1 every time it ends. As a measure, you can get out Seven Tidal Waves per overlimits.



IMPORTANT Be sure that as you mash it, you don't hold it down for more than half a second. You'll do a mystic arte and all will go to hell, and your cat will die.

Your TP will be refreshed by OL Boost 2 and Repede tossing Orange and Pineapple gels at you. Tidal Wave's TP cost will go down to 25 per cast.

Your Overlimits guage will probably max out from doing an infinite combo vs 8 monsters, and the taunting, so you will never run out. Don't use over level 1 though.



I reccomend you do this for about 10-15 minutes, then end the fight by tossing out Fatal Strikes and killing the whole lot. You will gain from 1000-1300 grade at the LEAST. For 10-15 minutes of work, that's not too bad, considering that if you wanted to get all of the good stuff from the shop, it's about 15000 grade. Not to mention the grade you got from playing the game as is.

And finally, this guide is open to any modification you feel would help at all in the process.

Some results: (i wasn't even fighting anything weak to water...)
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Welch_Vineyard
Posted 9/4/2008 12:51:52 AM
message detail     Oh, the above pictures were the result of a single 383 FS chain.

One last tidbit I almost forgot.

You can use this same method, altered a little bit, to farm a particularly hard to get item. One thing comes to mind is Colored Star Gems.

If vs Multiple enemies: Stick with the above method, but be sure to kill the enemy at the end of your chain with a fatal strike.

If vs Single: Ignore Thunder Blade and instead of Tidal Wave, you're now spamming Bloody Howling.

I generally end them at around 20-30 chain.

 

Secret Sidequests I found on gamefaqs:

Quite a bit of spoilers in this so best to not read till you are ready for them.

To get it you need to to do the following:

Get the Kingdom Celeb title by sleeping in the inn at Nor.

When you got a boat go back to the capital and go to the noble sector just by the mansion you broke into near the beginning of the game. Talk to the guy that gives you the mission to find Clay.

Talk to the girl in the middle section of the capital sitting on the bench to learn a tech for yuri.

Go to Nordi. to learn the Shining Eagle tech.

Meet up with "Clay" at the desert town.

Near the end go back to the Capital and talk to the guy and he will tell you that he will find his brother and leave.

Come back and you should get a scene where you get the title.


Now I may have a few things mixed around but thats how I remember doing everything. I may of missed a step. But I hope if anyone else got this title remembers it differently or knows of a step I missed to please post here under me and we can finally put this question to rest.

 

I have the strategy guide as well, which lists the location of all the mega-monsters, secret missions, and all that crap, but apparently it is incomplete. Don't worry, this game has an assload of minigames and sidequests. You can even unlock a 200 man melee on Unknown difficulty, and you can make every small hit you do, go "9999" with those special super hard to grind up to powerful weapons.



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

...and just for fun, here's the lyrics to the song.

Reaching up for no man’s land
To take a breath and take a chance
I walk a thousand nights to change the world
Where to go? When to stop?
Who to trust? What to say?
I found them all, just need someone to share

It’s now in the dusk every day to everyone
Ain’t so strong, I ain’t so strong to go on
Living in the past is not the way to live
I wish you could hear me say that I miss you

Why were we there back to back?
Why were we there face to face?
I must be the light when you’re in the dark
If you lose me somewhere, and your tears are in the air
I will ring a bell until you feel me by your side

Looking up into the sky, looking for the reason
Why I’m here, and why you can’t be here
Who’s to hate? Who’s to blame?
Who’s to hurt? Who’s to love?
Who decides? Why we can’t we be the same?

Trying to believe walking down the lonesome road
Ain’t so far, I ain’t so far from you
Staying the way you are means solitude
I wish you were here and shook off my fear

Why were we there back to back?
Why were we there face to face?
I must be the light when you’re in the dark
If I lose you somewhere, and I’m still hanging in there
I will ring a bell until you feel me by your side

What has been in the mix too long?
There’s the peace when you’re at war
Heads or tails, you and I
Light and dark, ups and downs
What is there in the middle? What’s there to divide us?
If you’re hurt, cry and say, "Can’t you see you're my other half?"

Why were we there back to back?
Why were we there face to face?
I must be the light when you’re in the dark
If you lose me somewhere, and your tears are in the air
I will ring a bell until you feel me by your side~


Look up "fel arms" during part 3, so see where to start your sidequestin.



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

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ZenfoldorVGI said:
...and just for fun, here's the lyrics to the song.

Reaching up for no man’s land
To take a breath and take a chance
I walk a thousand nights to change the world
Where to go? When to stop?
Who to trust? What to say?
I found them all, just need someone to share

It’s now in the dusk every day to everyone
Ain’t so strong, I ain’t so strong to go on
Living in the past is not the way to live
I wish you could hear me say that I miss you

Why were we there back to back?
Why were we there face to face?
I must be the light when you’re in the dark
If you lose me somewhere, and your tears are in the air
I will ring a bell until you feel me by your side

Looking up into the sky, looking for the reason
Why I’m here, and why you can’t be here
Who’s to hate? Who’s to blame?
Who’s to hurt? Who’s to love?
Who decides? Why we can’t we be the same?

Trying to believe walking down the lonesome road
Ain’t so far, I ain’t so far from you
Staying the way you are means solitude
I wish you were here and shook off my fear

Why were we there back to back?
Why were we there face to face?
I must be the light when you’re in the dark
If I lose you somewhere, and I’m still hanging in there
I will ring a bell until you feel me by your side

What has been in the mix too long?
There’s the peace when you’re at war
Heads or tails, you and I
Light and dark, ups and downs
What is there in the middle? What’s there to divide us?
If you’re hurt, cry and say, "Can’t you see you're my other half?"

Why were we there back to back?
Why were we there face to face?
I must be the light when you’re in the dark
If you lose me somewhere, and your tears are in the air
I will ring a bell until you feel me by your side~


Look up "fel arms" during part 3, so see where to start your sidequestin.

Yep! And its my ringtone.

@ Soriku

How in the world would you know Soriku? You don't have the game.

He's great and Rita is garbage. Add that to the fact that Rita is the worst character in the game, yes she certainly isn't in my starting group.



"We'll toss the dice however they fall,
And snuggle the girls be they short or tall,
Then follow young Mat whenever he calls,
To dance with Jak o' the Shadows."

Check out MyAnimeList and my Game Collection. Owner of the 5 millionth post.

outlawauron said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
...and just for fun, here's the lyrics to the song.

Yep! And its my ringtone.

@ Soriku

How in the world would you know Soriku? You don't have the game.

He's great and Rita is garbage. Add that to the fact that Rita is the worst character in the game, yes she certainly isn't in my starting group.

 

 Ringtone....upload it. Send link.

NOW.

Please? 



GOTY Contestants this year: Dead Space 2, Dark Souls, Tales of Graces f. Everything else can suck it.

outlawauron said:

Yep! And its my ringtone.

@ Soriku

How in the world would you know Soriku? You don't have the game.

He's great and Rita is garbage. Add that to the fact that Rita is the worst character in the game, yes she certainly isn't in my starting group.

 

That's not true, lol. Everybody likes to play different, but the recommended party is Yuri, Estelle, Judith, and Rita. Rita is the only character worth grinding grade with, and she has the best overlimit.

The worse character in the game is Raven, followed closely by Repede.

The best character is Judith, assuming you are a Tales god and know how to play beyond the means of a mere mortal.

I know you're skeptical....just watch this video.

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=SSVtj8Iu-b0



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

Also, here's how to get every costume in the game, contains spoilers:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=945075&topic=45439909

 

Also fel arms work work by gaining 1 P Atk and 1 M Atk per monster killed by that character. If the character is never used the weapon will give you crap. If you kill a lot then you'll have a lot with that character. Pop abyssion on Yuri for the entirity of playthrough 2 and you'll be ready for the endgame, and be an unstoppable killing machine.

These kills don't carry over, save them for your second playthrough. Use your first for skill learning and grade farming.



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

Shadowblind said:
outlawauron said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
...and just for fun, here's the lyrics to the song.

Yep! And its my ringtone.

@ Soriku

How in the world would you know Soriku? You don't have the game.

He's great and Rita is garbage. Add that to the fact that Rita is the worst character in the game, yes she certainly isn't in my starting group.

 

 Ringtone....upload it. Send link.

NOW.

Please? 

I have an iPhone, so I made it there. Not sure if your phone is compatible.

@ Zen

I see, but makes Raven so bad? He's done pretty well for me, plus his victory talk (not sure what to call this) is hilarious.



"We'll toss the dice however they fall,
And snuggle the girls be they short or tall,
Then follow young Mat whenever he calls,
To dance with Jak o' the Shadows."

Check out MyAnimeList and my Game Collection. Owner of the 5 millionth post.