Two types of people I hate most:
1) People who do not tolerate other cultures
2) The Dutch
| psrock said: I love polls. The funny thing about them, as a registered voter, i have never gotten a phone call from them. Such a shame. I guess the election is over, huh. |
Same here! I don't understand how anyone can believe these polls are real? Especially the way the just happen to change in accordance with the whims of the national media. Does anyone truuuuly believe that people vote differently on tuesdays and fridays than they do Mondays and wednesdays? Granted I think the vast majority of the American public have less of an IQ than a bag of rocks, but still I don't see how the polls can go back and forth like this, and I don't understand how people can't see throught the transparency of what is obviously manipulation.
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NJ5 said:
I'm going to reply to the parts I bolded on your post. 1- Correction: The Germans ban/censor games, that's an exception rather than the rule. I didn't say all Europeans would dislike Palin because of the book banning episode, I said "many". 2- Regarding freedom of press: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reporters_Without_Borders#Worldwide_Press_Freedom_Index_Ranking All the countries in the top 14 are European, USA is #48. Where's your evidence to say there's more press freedom in USA than Europe? 3- You do know about Palin's attempt to get books pulled from a library, don't you? http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/story/515512.html 4- Regarding abortion: I believe a lump of cells with no formed brain is not capable of suffering, consciousness or self-awareness, therefore I believe it's fine to abort at an early stage. From a quick google search, this argument seems to work at least for the first two months of pregnancy. For later abortions, I think we should take into account the impact on the mother as well as the baby. Do you have any idea how traumatic it must be to give birth to a baby after you were raped by your own father?
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A Random list is fine for press freedom.... but where's the criteria? The laws on the books in the US are more favorable then most other countries... with the US' Freedom of Press going farther.
If anything it looks like they are judging total arrests in such. In which the US Is going to be farther, because the US rights of press go farther.
In the US someone was thrown in jail for publishing data without giving their sources in a criminal hearing of leaked government documents.
In the UK someone would be thrown in jail for publishing leaked government documents.
Other arguements. Guy in Guantamo who is also a journalist etc.
There ranking has little to do with actual freedom and more to do with journalists in jail... or killed for no reason.
One of the things included in this ranking.
"A journalist killed Chauncey Bailey, editor of the weekly Oakland Post and a well-known leader of the local black community, was shot dead in the street in Oakland on 2 August. A 19-year-old employee of Your Black Muslim Bakery confessed to carrying out the murder and then retracted. He could be tried in 2008." What does that have to do with anything?
tombi123 said:
He does care about Iran and Russia. But rather than declare war on Iran, he would talk with them. I can see why Iran feels threatened by the USA, when the US government is supplying Israel with $$$. You must have seen the response Obama got when he visited Europe. McCain wouldn't have got that kind of responce and if Palin did the same and her policies were widely known, she would have probably got booed. Under Obama, the USA and Europe would have a close relationship. |
So because Obama gave a bunch of really sweet speeches in Europe, he'll be better for the world than McCain, a man who is highly respected throughout the world as a moderate?
Did I enter CrazyLand again this morning?
I'm not saying that Obama won't be great for the world, what I'm saying is that no one knows. The man's foreign policy up to this point is limited to a bunch of great speeches and one huge fucking question mark.
To discount McCain and throw him in the same group as Bush is downright ignorant, really.
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| Kasz216 said: A Random list is fine for press freedom.... but where's the criteria? The laws on the books in the US are more favorable then most other countries... with the US' Freedom of Press going farther. If anything it looks like they are judging total arrests in such. In which the US Is going to be farther, because the US rights of press go farther. In the US someone was thrown in jail for publishing data without giving their sources in a criminal hearing of leaked government documents. In the UK someone would be thrown in jail for publishing leaked government documents. Other arguements. Guy in Guantamo who is also a journalist etc. There ranking has little to do with actual freedom and more to do with journalists in jail... or killed for no reason. One of the things included in this ranking.
"A journalist killed Chauncey Bailey, editor of the weekly Oakland Post and a well-known leader of the local black community, was shot dead in the street in Oakland on 2 August. A 19-year-old employee of Your Black Muslim Bakery confessed to carrying out the murder and then retracted. He could be tried in 2008." What does that have to do with anything? |
I'm sure there are many problems with that and any other list, I was just looking for Timmah to back up his assertion that press freedom is better in USA than Europe. I still don't see any evidence to back that up.
BTW, what laws on books are you talking about?
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NJ5 said:
I'm sure there are many problems with that and any other list, I was just looking for Timmah to back up his assertion that press freedom is better in USA than Europe. I still don't see any evidence to back that up. BTW, what laws on books are you talking about?
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I already named a couple. The Racial and Religious Hatred act, and the fact that you can't publish illegally leaked documents by the government.
| Kasz216 said: I already named a couple. The Racial and Religious Hatred act, and the fact that you can't publish illegally leaked documents by the government.
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Both of those cases are in the UK, a country which can definitely be criticized on their stances on privacy and other issues (they're also copying some bad practices from USA law). I don't think there's anything close to that outside of Germany (with their game censorship) and the UK though. It's certainly not a widespread thing in Europe.
Regarding publishing illegally leaked documents, I was doing some googling and I can only find cases in which UK government employees were charged for leaking documents. I didn't see any case where someone was charged for publishing them.
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| NJ5 said: I'm going to reply to the parts I bolded on your post. 1- Correction: The Germans ban/censor games, that's an exception rather than the rule. I didn't say all Europeans would dislike Palin because of the book banning episode, I said "many". 2- Regarding freedom of press: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reporters_Without_Borders#Worldwide_Press_Freedom_Index_Ranking All the countries in the top 14 are European, USA is #48. Where's your evidence to say there's more press freedom in USA than Europe? 3- You do know about Palin's attempt to get books pulled from a library, don't you? http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/story/515512.html 4- Regarding abortion: I believe a lump of cells with no formed brain is not capable of suffering, consciousness or self-awareness, therefore I believe it's fine to abort at an early stage. From a quick google search, this argument seems to work at least for the first two months of pregnancy. For later abortions, I think we should take into account the impact on the mother as well as the baby. Do you have any idea how traumatic it must be to give birth to a baby after you were raped by your own father?
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The US is very lenient on freedom of the press. In the US, you can pretty much publish anything you want, even if it is hate filled BS, a leaked document from the government, pornography, etc. There are really no laws governing what can be published (aside from child porn, for obvious reasons), just laws that limit the availability of certain things to certain settings & age groups. The US has had no bannings of movies, books, or newspapers (nationally) in it's recent history. Some movies will be given an NC-17 rating, and that pretty much kills them, or games given an AO rating, which pretty much kills them, but the government itself is not in the business of limiting speech by banning speach by law or punishing the speaker or writer for their opinions.
Like Kasz said, the list you gave is going to be skewed because arrests of journalists are not due to what they reported, but the fact that they would not reveal the source that illegally released classified documents. The US does not prosecute journalists for publishing classified information, but instead goes after the person who leaked the info in the first place.
The Racial and Religious Hatred Act actually outlaws certain types of speech in the UK, namely speech that "inciting (or 'stirring up') hatred against a person on the grounds of their religion" is illegal. In the US, we have no laws that restrict what opinions are legal or not legal to either speak or print. Due to this fact alone, the US has fewer restrictions on speach than the UK.
The Ghost of RubangB said:
I respect all logic if it is consistent. I think the Christian churches have a consistent morality on the subject, since they're anti-abortion and anti-death penalty. I don't argue with the logic that connects the dots there. I just disagree with one or more of the dots and explain why. I think being pro-choice and pro-death is consistent, because really, fuck 'em all and let G-d sort 'em out. I think being pro-choice and anti-death is consistent, because you can accidentally kill innocent people with the death penalty, but you can't accidentally kill non-fetuses with abortions, and because the death penalty takes decades longer than an abortion, and it costs way more of taxpayers' money. I think being pro-life and pro-death is inconsistent, because I don't think committing a crime makes a criminal less valuable than an innocent fetus, and therefore deserving of less legal protection Sorry if I painted you as a crazy right winger. I don't know where or how I did that, but I didn't mean to. I just think that in all extreme cases solitary confinement for life is better for society and taxes, and in case we realize we made a mistake, we can take it back. (Sadly, even then, it's like a kick in the pants and $500 after 30 years of undeserved solitary due to some accident, but that's a whole different broken part of the system.) |
HEY! You proved mw wrong! Cool. I don't think you deliberately painted me as a crazy right winger, but you tend to respond to me (and others that don't agree with you) with catch phrases and one-liners based in stereotypes, you are freaking hilarious, though.
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