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Timmah! on 10 September 2008
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The Ghost of RubangB said:
Timmah! said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
I don't see what the death penalty actually offers society that life imprisonment doesn't, other than a feeling of "fuck yeah we got 'em" for a few minutes. The difference in cost to taxpayers' wallets isn't worth that feeling for me.

I respect that view, but I don't like the fact that you grossly mis-characterized mine based on over the top stereotypes of 'crazy right wingers'. Sorry to bust your bubble, but most of us don't actually believe everything you think we believe.

The temptation is always there to use the death penalty as a 'gotcha back'. I personally believe it is benificial when a person is so depraved that they will most likely be a huge danger even in the prison system (to fellow inmates as well as officers). An example would be a serial killer who just enjoys murder- those people do exist. In that case, taking a life to protect others (even if they are other criminals, but especially to protect officers) is beneficial to society.

I personally believe the death penalty system is severely broken, and is in need of major overhaul. Many states are over the top with the death penalty, and inmates sit on death row for decades, costing taxpayers huge amounts of money (like you stated). If there's going to be a death penalty, it should be only in cases of absolutely incontravertable evidence (this would have to be very well defined), and the wait on death row should be no more than a few years.

EDIT: OMG!! I actually agreed with akuma587 on something!

EDIT 2: I don't think it's in Rubang's bag of tricks to recognize that somebody on the right can have a logical perspective. Am I wrong

I respect all logic if it is consistent.  I think the Christian churches have a consistent morality on the subject, since they're anti-abortion and anti-death penalty.  I don't argue with the logic that connects the dots there.  I just disagree with one or more of the dots and explain why.

I think being pro-choice and pro-death is consistent, because really, fuck 'em all and let G-d sort 'em out.

I think being pro-choice and anti-death is consistent, because you can accidentally kill innocent people with the death penalty, but you can't accidentally kill non-fetuses with abortions, and because the death penalty takes decades longer than an abortion, and it costs way more of taxpayers' money.

I think being pro-life and pro-death is inconsistent, because I don't think committing a crime makes a criminal less valuable than an innocent fetus, and therefore deserving of less legal protection

Sorry if I painted you as a crazy right winger.  I don't know where or how I did that, but I didn't mean to.

I just think that in all extreme cases solitary confinement for life is better for society and taxes, and in case we realize we made a mistake, we can take it back.  (Sadly, even then, it's like a kick in the pants and $500 after 30 years of undeserved solitary due to some accident, but that's a whole different broken part of the system.)

HEY! You proved mw wrong! Cool. I don't think you deliberately painted me as a crazy right winger, but you tend to respond to me (and others that don't agree with you) with catch phrases and one-liners based in stereotypes, you are freaking hilarious, though.