thats the problem, it was old data. COD4 ahoud have easily past the 360 version. PC gaming isnt about the beginning influx of buyers like console games. It isnt about first week sales. It is overall sales. A PC game can still be for sale on shelves or digitally for over 20 years. Each sale is a sale. Console games dont really have that luxury. VC/PSN/XBL is starting to bring back classic games but not in the massive volume that PC has and always will have. PCs 30 years from now will still be able to run classic games like Wolf 3D, Commandor Keen, etc.

typically games that screw PCs up, like BioShock did, dont sell well. This is why BioShock PC had to be rereleased. PC gamers dont take crap like that. It is either release a working product or screw off.

I would love some good PC discussions perhaps some game playing. I think I've only played with my room mate in TF2 for example.

yeah, SSJ is horrible :P

Wait, WHAT?

If you want to stop the anti-PC posters, then maybe you and the other PC gamers on this site should start trying to build a better, more positive image for yourselves. A few tips you might find helpful:

1) Stop trying to put yourselves in an adversarial position with non-PC gamers. No more "PC is better than consoles/[insert console here]" threads; no more "$500 PC that outperforms a PS3" threads; no more, "You're getting the console version of [game]? Enjoy your low res graphics/subpar controls/dumbed-down gameplay" comments. I realize that you alone cannot control these factors, but modding PC-elitist comments appropriately would be a major step in the right direction.

2) Be more friendly to people interested in the PC as a platform. If someone posts about their PC gaming woes, try to offer constructive comments, and not what basically amounts to, "Ha, you dullard! Go buy one of those kiddie consoles if you don't know how to build a computer/overclock a processor/etc."

3) Realize that some people just aren't interested in PC gaming at all. I, for one, do all of my computer stuff on a Macbook, and I'm more than happy to never have to even deal with a Windows box again. The hardware building/configuring/periodic upgrading just isn't for everyone, and it's not the be-all, end-all of gaming.

Of course, there's a lot that the rest of us need to do, too. I get the feeling that the PC people on this site feel like a persecuted minority, and really, it's a catch-22: Someone makes a negative comment about PC gaming, the minority feels an obligation to defend themselves, more attacks and defenses and counter-attacks ensue, and suddenly both sides find themselves on extreme opposite ends of the spectrum. I think we all just need to chill out, share a spliff, and realize that we're just two ends of the same coin.

In 2 months CoD4(a year old game), is going to make up that much ground on the 360 version.  I looked at Steam's numbers, and am not impressed.  The number of people playing is just unimpressive.  If people download the game on Steam, I would expect them to play on Steam.  But there are only 800 people playing it online right now.  Hell the 360 version has at least 170,000 people on it right now(I say this because that is how much Halo 3 has and CoD4 has retaken the Live lead).  There is not a chance in hell that CoD4 has overtaken the sales of the 360 version.  Just admit it.  This is not a knock against pc gaming(I enjoy pc games), just posters who refuse to admit something that is obvious.

man, I suck at TFC... what games you got? I think I have you on steam already.

I have Counter-Strike (1.6, CZ, CSS), Day of Defeat: Source, Team Fortress 2. Oh crap, I ment to say TF2, not TFC. I used to play TFC a lot though, but I haven't really played it since TF2 came out. 

Non-Steam I have Battlefield 2, Diablo 2, and some others.

I don't recall the exact list as I'm not at my apartment to look through the software.

 That is an amazingly good way tocompletely dodge my point. Whenever you want to come give me the reality check you were promising I will be waiting. Until then I will stand by my statement of too many PC developers playing the "relase now and patch it later" game and it working. The fact that Bioshock started selling well after it was patched is proof that consumers will tolerate this kind of shoddy treatment and still smile at the end if the day. This was unheard of on consoles until this generation. This causes a lot of console gamers to use it as a way to attack and dismiss the PC as a gaming platform.

MMOs are the worst about this.  But that is almost a necessity for a game like that.