When Nvidia does it, it's a "fuck up", but when MS does it, it's just them being "unlucky"?

1.  Most people who say Vista is crap have never even used it.  Vista is actually quite good--stable, secure, and nicely laid out.  (I have been using it since beta.)  It's perceived as crap mostly because it's not XP.  The driver issues were fixed within the first two months of launch, but nobody ever talks about that.  It's more fun to mindlessly bash.

2.  The Zune is a really cool device.  Would I ever buy one?  No, I'd rather put all my music on my Chocolate.  I don't own a Zune or an iPod, but I've used both quite a bit.  I know 5 Zune owners and they all love the thing.  My brother and sister-in-law liked theirs so much that they bought a second one so they'd quit fighting over it.  I've read several tech reviews that have agreed that the Zune's price, layout and functionality actually gives the iPod a run for its money.  It just doesn't have the little apple logo on the back, so again, it's perceived as crap and mindlessly bashed by idiots who have probably never used one.

3.  The 360 is an awesome console.  This opinion is of course subject to personal preference, much like the two above it.  It's fun for people to bash because its made by a company that everyone loves to hate.  The jokes about RRoD were well deserved when it was a prevalant issue, but I think most can agree now that it's not anywhere NEAR as much of a problem as it used to be.  And now the RRoD jokes always come off as a lame attempt to defend the PS3. 

4.  The most annoying thing about your post is the "M$" thing.  The 90's called, they want their forum joke back. 

But anyway, thanks for your enlightening response to the article.  And by the way, posting this in the MS forum is obvious flame bait, and I really don't see the purpose of it anyway.

lol, you don't know me very well. I make my living as a Microsoft Developer, and have a CS degree. In order to get that, you need to take history of computing. I don't need to take history however to know about MS. I had a PC in 1980, and have owned every OS they have ever made. I have an MSDN license, and thus all MS software is available to me. I have evaluated, or utilized most of it.

MS does a lot of things well, very well. But there consumer offerings (not servers/dev tools) are all direct copies of competitors.

There is not enough time in the day to explain to you how OSX is better then Vista. Also comparing these OS's to what came out of Xerox PARC is ridiculous. Oh, and Steve Jobs asked Xerox if they could have the Alto 88's OS (and the mouse). Bill Gates then Stole the Mac design when Apple gave a prototype of the Mac to MS so they could write applications for it. If you think that's the same thing, you should be the last one throwing the word "ignorance" around.

And yes, the Instinct is a copy of the IPhone.

No, please, explain to me why OSX is better.  I'd love to know, because I think Mac OS is a steaming pile of crap.  And I think you misunderstand me, I know the Instinct is a copy of the iPhone, and there will be many more copies.  I'd venture to guess that most of them will be an improvement on the iPhone.  But since they won't have the little silver apple logo on them, they'll be considered garbage by people who don't know any better.  And that's what Apple's customer base is all about:  people who don't know any better.  People who fall for the most ridiculous advertising.  People who think that you can't burn a CD on anything but a Mac.

You don't know me very well either.  Please don't waste your breath on me by trying to convince me that Mac OS is better.  That's a ridiculous waste of time because it's all about personal preference.  Also, I'm in the IT business too.  I'm no "Microsoft Developer" (which could mean just about anything.  Hell, you could be developing a new calculator for Windows for all I know.) but I do know that a computer science degree is a far cry from making you an expert on anything.  I recently switched jobs, and I didn't talk to ONE prospective employer in the Chicago area who gave a rat's ass about computer science degrees.  So, don't bother with the credentials, because I actually don't give a rat's ass either. 

What came out of PARC is the very reason why the myth still exists that Microsoft "stole" the Windows concept from Apple.  Both companies went to Xerox to look at the interface and both companies used it in their own way.  And in case you hadn't noticed, Vista looks nothing like OSX.  Yes, it has gadgets, but if it had that absolutely ridiculous software dock I would give up completely and switch to Linux.  The Unix system that Apples are based on is every bit as archaic as the kernel Windows is built on.  Fortunately, Microsoft is actively plugging holes and patching exploits while Apple is sitting there telling their users that Macs simply don't get viruses or malware.

No, please, explain to me why OSX is better.  I'd love to know, because I think Mac OS is a steaming pile of crap.  And I think you misunderstand me, I know the Instinct is a copy of the iPhone, and there will be many more copies.  I'd venture to guess that most of them will be an improvement on the iPhone.  But since they won't have the little silver apple logo on them, they'll be considered garbage by people who don't know any better.  And that's what Apple's customer base is all about:  people who don't know any better.  People who fall for the most ridiculous advertising.  People who think that you can't burn a CD on anything but a Mac.

You don't know me very well either.  Please don't waste your breath on me by trying to convince me that Mac OS is better.  That's a ridiculous waste of time because it's all about personal preference.  Also, I'm in the IT business too.  I'm no "Microsoft Developer" (which could mean just about anything.  Hell, you could be developing a new calculator for Windows for all I know.) but I do know that a computer science degree is a far cry from making you an expert on anything.  I recently switched jobs, and I didn't talk to ONE prospective employer in the Chicago area who gave a rat's ass about computer science degrees.  So, don't bother with the credentials, because I actually don't give a rat's ass either. 

What came out of PARC is the very reason why the myth still exists that Microsoft "stole" the Windows concept from Apple.  Both companies went to Xerox to look at the interface and both companies used it in their own way.  And in case you hadn't noticed, Vista looks nothing like OSX.  Yes, it has gadgets, but if it had that absolutely ridiculous software dock I would give up completely and switch to Linux.  The Unix system that Apples are based on is every bit as archaic as the kernel Windows is built on.  Fortunately, Microsoft is actively plugging holes and patching exploits while Apple is sitting there telling their users that Macs simply don't get viruses or malware.

I have a Zune(won it from Live Search Club) and it works great.  I download audio and video podcasts and listen to tons of music at work.  Not sure what problems people have with it.  The software is great also.

I own a 360 and so far I have had 1 rrod and am still incredibly happy with it and will gladly purchase M$'s next console.

Wow, I don't say this often, but your an idiot.

Most IT Professionals (witch could mean anything, hell, you could just be Tech support for AOL for all I know) will find UNIX operating systems superior to anything MS has produced in there lifetime. OSX is UNIX, forget about the UI, that alone, for all the reasons UNIX is better then Win32/64 OS's, is why it's better. Go look it up.

Thinking that people just buy apple products because they are uninformed is total bullshit. I used an Instinct for a few hours before I looked at the iPhone, and I can tell you 100%, the iPhone was the right choice.

With what you have said above, you can only be speaking from a position of ignorance, and arguing with someone unknowledgable is always an exercise in futility.

I am out of this thread.

I have no problem with UNIX itself.  I have a problem with OSX.