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The Ghost of RubangB on 04 September 2008
Ickalanda said:
BenKenobi88 said:
Ickalanda said:
Sarah Palin is awesome, and more real than Obama.

Obama is the most far left presidential Candidate we've ever had.

Anyone who has sense should vote for McCain. McCain is a true American and has proven his dedication to his country further than most people ever will. He survived years of torture and stood for his country the entire time. He has a good service record both military and in the senate and is the only candidate who actually supports the only reasonable way to make the United States be the cleanest and greenest country in the world, and that is by replacing Coal Burning Power Plants which are responsible for a huge majority of all air pollution with Nuclear Power Plants which have zero emissions and take up the least space out of all clean power sources.

Just like Bush is a true American?

Yeah he was a P.O.W. and I have the utmost respect for our military, but does that mean he's the right guy for President?

I don't want America to eternally occupy Iraq, I don't want this "United States, best country in the world" bullshit.  In case you didn't know, the rest of the world doesn't want another 4 years of Bush, and they pretty much hate America.

I don't know if Obama would be much better...but he's not another 4 years of Bush at least.

Yes Bush is a true American.

 

And about America occupying Iraq, just so you know if we left now it would be one of the shortest amounts of time that U.S. troops have occupied a foreign country other than the first Gulf War, here are some statistics for you:

Cuba - United States troops are now in the 110th anniversary of their occupation of Cuba at Gautanamo Bay since the Spanish-American War in 1898

Philipeans - Same as above

Germany - U.S. Troops have been here since the D-Day invasion in World War 2, that is now 64 years ago.

Korea - U.S. Troops have been in South Korea since the Korean War which was in 1950, and just counting the time since the war started that is now 58 years.

Afghanistan - U.S. Troops have now been in Afghanistan for a measly 7 years.

Iraq - U.S. Troops have now been in Iraq for 5 years.

The United States also has bases in many other countries across the world for much longer.

 

Anyone expecting U.S. troops to only be in a country for a short amount of time is obviously very un-informed when it comes to military occupation and bases in foreign countries so should not be making opinions on the topic, and it would actually be very unusual if a quick pullout occured or even a pullout at all.

 

Also I am highly against Barrack Obama's views as he is the most liberal presidential candidate we've ever had and also the most liberal Senator in the United States and he supports many socialist things which to me Socialism and Communism are just as bad if not worse than Fascism.

 

John McCain also supports many things energy related that would be very good for the U.S. economy and also lead down a progressive green road even more environmentally friendly than anything the Democrats have come up with without being some ridiculous psychotic plan like stopping using technology.

You are aware that the U.S. isn't occupying a single country you listed, except Iraq and maybe kinda the Philippines in a fucked up way, right?  We have troops around the world.  We're not occupying Germany and Cuba.  Trust me on this.

And I thought John Kerry was the most liberal person in the Senate? How does it switch every 4 years? Or is running for president the most liberal thing a senator can do?

Also, where did you get the idea that Obama wanted to stop technology or that McCain was greener?  Both McCain and Palin have voted against renewable energy technology several times.  McCain didn't even talk about renewable energy until this election cycle, when he realized it was an important issue he had to focus on to try to get elected, because the majority of the population are sick of oil, sick of Iraq, sick of dependence on foreign oil, sick of pollution, and sick of Big Oil.



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Gobias on 04 September 2008

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Ickalanda on 04 September 2008
The Ghost of RubangB said:
You are aware that the U.S. isn't occupying a single country you listed, except Iraq and maybe the Philippines, right?

And I thought John Kerry was the most liberal person in the Senate? How does it switch every 4 years? Or is running for president the most liberal thing a senator can do?

 

Yes I am aware thats why I said occupation and bases somewhere in there and you can't honestly expect the U.S. Military to just be under constant occupation, we even militarily occupied Germany and every country I listed for multiple years just as we are doing in Iraq now, it moves from occupation to maintaining bases within the country.

 

And Barrack Obama was rated the most liberal senator in 2007 and here are some sources:

http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/01/31/625886.aspx

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/14428.html

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/01/obama-was-the-m.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/01/31/politics/horserace/entry3775451.shtml



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Ickalanda on 04 September 2008
The Ghost of RubangB said:

 

Also, where did you get the idea that Obama wanted to stop technology or that McCain was greener?  Both McCain and Palin have voted against renewable energy technology several times.  McCain didn't even talk about renewable energy until this election cycle, when he realized it was an important issue he had to focus on to try to get elected, because the majority of the population are sick of oil, sick of Iraq, sick of dependence on foreign oil, sick of pollution, and sick of Big Oil.

Ok missed this new part here:

 

I never said Obama wanted to stop technology I just said that McCain has the most reasonable green plan and I used that as an example for an extreme thing.

 

I am not talking about renewable energy but I am talking about the cleanest and most powerful and efficient energy there is, Nuclear Power.  John McCain is strongly in favor of Nuclear Power and if all energy in the United States was Nuclear and Solar Wind and Hydro powered we would have some of the cleanest air.

 

The reason why McCain's plan is more reasonable and economically the best choice is because he supports increased drilling of oil which is a big help to our economy by supplying jobs and lowering gas prices and this is needed until the new technologies are reasonable to switch over to.  You can't just make the switch instantly it would result in economic catastraphy.

 



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akuma587 on 04 September 2008
appolose said:
akuma587 said:
appolose said:

 

Because he's saying the Bible say it's wrong, and since Obama claims to be a Christian, he would hav to conclude likewise.

Also, the idea of us not interfering with anyone else's actions would kind of void any laws we have (not to mention, as a Christian, one is obligated to stem injustice).

That's the worst logic I have ever heard in my life.  There is a difference in believing something yourself and adopting it as a social policy.  You can personally be against abortion but allow other people the freedom to make that choice for yourself.  Many people, including myself, adopt that viewpoint.  It isn't a black and white issue.

You just pulled the relativistic rabbit out of the hat in your second comment.  I am not even going to dignify it with a response because their is no coherent logic whatsoever to the statement.

 

Only, the government has.  You know how the First Amendment allows the free right of religious practice, yes?  But you'll notice that right isn't extended to human-sacrificing religions, no matter how sincere their adherents may be.  Of course we force our values onto others.  Again, that is what law does, does it not?  Furthermore, it is his personal belief to put a stop to such things like that, to interfere, as it were, with other people's actions; he believes for himself that it should be stopped.  Notice how both statements can be compatible.

Also, if you thought, for example, that your next door neighboor was about to back over a kid in the driveway, wouldn't you try to stop him in just about anyway, even if he believed there was no kid of which he might back over (poor example, but you get the idea).  If so, then you must conclude that one can indeed force your beliefs onto someone else.

How is my first statement in anway illogical? This is the argument: A.  To be a Christian, one must agree with all the Bible.  B.  Obama disagrees with the Bible.  C.  Therefore, Obama is not a Christian.  That completely follows (I'm not saying the premises are necessarily true, though, just that it would follow).

 

There is a consensus about murdering people, about stealing things, and about attacking other people.  No one is debating the issue.  Those things are illegal because over 95% of the country believes they should be illegal.

Here is a poll on abortion taken a few days ago for comparison:

http://www.pollingreport.com/abortion.htm

With respect to the abortion issue, would you consider yourself to be pro-choice or pro-life?

Pro-Choice      Pro-Life        Unsure about terms          Neither/Unsure

53%                   44%         2%                                     2%

A majority of the country thinks abortion should be legal. 

Where in the Bible does it say that aborting a child is murder?  I am not saying the Bible condones abortion, but there is a legitimate debate over when a fetus is actually alive.

I can easily find you a place in the Bible where it will tell you that judging others will make your judgment even harsher.

Please, don't compare people saying murder should be illegal to people saying abortion should be illegal or you are just ignoring the facts of how Americans actually feel.



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bigjon on 04 September 2008
steven787 said:
appolose said:
bigjon said:
steven787 said:
steven787 said:
bigjon said:
superchunk said:
Didn't see her oral presentation, but, I think she is a religious coot and can't wait to see her stay Gov. of Alaska in 2009.

 

 her religion and guns statement was targeted at people like you.

Besides Obama believes in something, he aligns himself with SOMETHING.. Whether is be Humanism, Islam, whatever you have to believe something. The fact he hides it seems more worrysome to me that someone being open about their beliefs. Unless she does something to inhibet others religous freedoms I do not see why you should be such a hater about it.



"I am a Christian, and I am a devout Christian. I believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I believe that that faith gives me a path to be cleansed of sin and have eternal life. But most importantly, I believe in the example that Jesus set by feeding the hungry and healing the sick and always prioritizing the least of these over the powerful." (Barack Obama Christianity Today, January 2008)

Criticizing someones beliefs is one thing, but attempting to mislead people is another.  I criticized Sarah Palins beliefs and how they fit in with American governing, because she said the War was a task from god. 

What exactly are you trying to imply?

 

Bigjon? Where'd you go, I was looking forward to your answer.

How is she misleading people?

The she has her own beliefs based on the Bible. The Bible says murder is wrong, she is against abortion. The Bible says Homosexuality is wrong- she is against Gay Marriage. For me someone who says they believe the Bible but is Pro things that are against it. You really cannot totally believe the Bible and be a liberal. I mean seriously look at alot of things the Bible says... It goes COMPLETELY against humanistic philosophy. Now, some people pick and choose what they want to believe in the Bible and can alter the Bibles interpretation (sometime people "modernize" it), but they really do not believe the Bible. Also, when it comes to right wingers, I think peoples big problem with them is not what they believe it is their lack of compassion about what they believe.

 

 

While this is true, it is possible to be a Christian and pro-abortion at the same time; you'll just be wrong.  If Obama does indeed regard a baby prior to birth, then he would be committing murder.  If he doesn't, he isn't murdering; he's unwittingly killing.  Which isn't good, but at that, he wouldn't be guilty of anything.  This is, of course assuming he doesn't consider them human.

That's not to say I don't consider abortion wrong.

I do agree with you on everything else.  Take for example this statement of his (in reference to his acceptance of homosexuality),

"If people find that controversial then I would just refer them to the Sermon on the Mount, which I think is, in my mind, for my faith, more central than an obscure passage in Romans." 

That is ridiculously nonsensical.  What on Earth does obscurity (which the passage certainly does not possess) have to do with it being true?  If people don't quote at least five times a day, you can ignore it?  That's a rather shoddy method of selecting passages to adhere to (ignoring the fact that you're even selecting passages to begin with).

@Bigjon: I am 100% pro-life.  If a woman in my life wanted to get an abortion, I would advise her against it.  There is religious debate about when life begins, I believe it begins at conception but I also believe it is not a issue for the government to decide.

I vote democrat.  Abortion isn't the only issue.

I don't see how using force to prevent or punish people who sin is in the new testament.  That is old testament (pre-Talmud) stuff.

When Jesus saw hurt or starving people what did he do? He fed them and healed them.  When he saw a sinner, did he ask for them to go to jail? Christianity and Judaism (including books outside of the Torah) are about more then just what not to do, they are guides to many aspects of life.

Although I am not Christian, there are some very good lessons about government in the life of Jesus Christ.  Including:

He explained the difference between the roles of religion and government to the pharisees.  And most importantly, he showed how an innocent man can be put to death by the state.  It is God's place to judge in matters of life and death.

Let's not mix politics and religion.  Jesus didn't want us to.  Late Rabbinical Scholars and Prophets didn't want us to.  And the Forefathers of the U.S. didn't want us to.

Stop insulting people with statements that are just meant to be inflammatory or disrespectful of other people's beliefs.  You can state yours without attacking others.  Now, if I say something crazy like "Abortion is wholesome and righteous", "The Republicans are all stupid", "The War in Iraq is God's task for the U.S.", or "You can't be a christian and a liberal" then you are welcome to attack me.

You still didn't answer my question Bigjon: What were you trying to imply when you were faning ignorance about Obama's religion?

I did not say you could not be a Christian if you did not obey everything in the Bible. I belief in faith based salvation, which means I believe that a homosexual can be a christian, but he will not be happy. For example, the Bible says it is wrong to think dirty thoughts, and I agree it is not a good thing... but it is pretty much impossible not too. This does not prevent me from being saved. Salvation is from trusting in Jesus to save you, and trusting only in him (not works or anything else)

I am sorry about not answering the question about Obama and religion I did not get at first what you were asking. I think his religious past is unclear, which leaves the possibility in my mind that he is playing religion because that is a good way to get votes. He made a statement about the "hicks" in PA that basically he looked down on them because they cling to Religion and Guns. That is not a statement a true christian would make. I am still not decided about him however, he still has a chance to prove my first impression wrong.

Also to Montana- The term Crazzies is not a demeaning term and I did not mean it as that. It is kinda like how Duke fans refer to themselves as the Cameron crazzies. It was implied to mean something like I was throwing this into a pit of wolves, and I cannot to see what happens because some of the stuff is rather humorous that people come up with. (like the Rumor I heard here that Sarih Palin's son impregnated his sister so they sent him off to the army and hid the pregnancy. ) 

Also, you need to know that a friend of my uses my PC occasionly, so not everything is from me. (this topic was, but some of the earlier stuff was not)

 



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Retrasado on 04 September 2008

Well, regardless of her rhetoric, it was a helluva speech. And much better imho than anything at the DNC. I was already leaning toward McCain because his tax plan will have less of an effect on my wallet, and her speech definitely didn't push me away from the repubs. I just hate big government and high taxes and that's all the dems have to offer this time around.



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Paul on 04 September 2008
TheRealMafoo said:
Oh, and I went to Obama's site, and read a few things. Not a real fan. Here is one thing that down right scars me:

Mandatory Coverage of Children: Obama will require that all children have health care coverage.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/

What does that mean? If you don't cover your kids, you go to jail? Get fined? What? Why does the government get to make that choice? Scary.

 

 Imagine the inhumanity of a government ensuring all children have access to health care. Are you serious? I would imagine that if the crack head parents can't afford the coverage or are too high on crack to fill out the forms the government would do it.

Are you basically saying that a one year old baby only deserves health care if god chose a nice family for him but if god chose to give him a crack head mom that's life?



akuma587 on 04 September 2008
Retrasado said:
Well, regardless of her rhetoric, it was a helluva speech. And much better imho than anything at the DNC. I was already leaning toward McCain because his tax plan will have less of an effect on my wallet, and her speech definitely didn't push me away from the repubs. I just hate big government and high taxes and that's all the dems have to offer this time around.

Have you actually looked at what taxes Obama plans to raise?  Unless you are making over $200,000 a year, your taxes will not be raised.  You are buying into the Republican rhetoric.  Check the facts for yourself.



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It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

Retrasado on 04 September 2008
akuma587 said:

There is a consensus about murdering people, about stealing things, and about attacking other people.  No one is debating the issue.  Those things are illegal because over 95% of the country believes they should be illegal.

Here is a poll on abortion taken a few days ago for comparison:

http://www.pollingreport.com/abortion.htm

With respect to the abortion issue, would you consider yourself to be pro-choice or pro-life?

Pro-Choice      Pro-Life        Unsure about terms          Neither/Unsure

53%                   44%         2%                                     2%

A majority of the country thinks abortion should be legal. 

Where in the Bible does it say that aborting a child is murder?  I am not saying the Bible condones abortion, but there is a legitimate debate over when a fetus is actually alive.

I can easily find you a place in the Bible where it will tell you that judging others will make your judgment even harsher.

Please, don't compare people saying murder should be illegal to people saying abortion should be illegal or you are just ignoring the facts of how Americans actually feel.

Wait a minute. You think that if a majority of the country believes murder or stealing is ok, it should be legal?

Also, if you want to bring the Bible into this discussion, try this verse on for size:

Exodus 21:22 (KJV) 
    If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.

I'd say that God did care about fetuses....

 



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