Sarah Palin FTW!!!

[bigjon]

steven787 said:

appolose said:

bigjon said:

steven787 said:

steven787 said:

bigjon said:

superchunk said:
Didn't see her oral presentation, but, I think she is a religious coot and can't wait to see her stay Gov. of Alaska in 2009.

 

 her religion and guns statement was targeted at people like you.

Besides Obama believes in something, he aligns himself with SOMETHING.. Whether is be Humanism, Islam, whatever you have to believe something. The fact he hides it seems more worrysome to me that someone being open about their beliefs. Unless she does something to inhibet others religous freedoms I do not see why you should be such a hater about it.

"I am a Christian, and I am a devout Christian. I believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I believe that that faith gives me a path to be cleansed of sin and have eternal life. But most importantly, I believe in the example that Jesus set by feeding the hungry and healing the sick and always prioritizing the least of these over the powerful." (Barack Obama Christianity Today, January 2008)

Criticizing someones beliefs is one thing, but attempting to mislead people is another.  I criticized Sarah Palins beliefs and how they fit in with American governing, because she said the War was a task from god. 

What exactly are you trying to imply?

 

Bigjon? Where'd you go, I was looking forward to your answer.

How is she misleading people?

The she has her own beliefs based on the Bible. The Bible says murder is wrong, she is against abortion. The Bible says Homosexuality is wrong- she is against Gay Marriage. For me someone who says they believe the Bible but is Pro things that are against it. You really cannot totally believe the Bible and be a liberal. I mean seriously look at alot of things the Bible says... It goes COMPLETELY against humanistic philosophy. Now, some people pick and choose what they want to believe in the Bible and can alter the Bibles interpretation (sometime people "modernize" it), but they really do not believe the Bible. Also, when it comes to right wingers, I think peoples big problem with them is not what they believe it is their lack of compassion about what they believe.

 

 

While this is true, it is possible to be a Christian and pro-abortion at the same time; you'll just be wrong.  If Obama does indeed regard a baby prior to birth, then he would be committing murder.  If he doesn't, he isn't murdering; he's unwittingly killing.  Which isn't good, but at that, he wouldn't be guilty of anything.  This is, of course assuming he doesn't consider them human.

That's not to say I don't consider abortion wrong.

I do agree with you on everything else.  Take for example this statement of his (in reference to his acceptance of homosexuality),

"If people find that controversial then I would just refer them to the Sermon on the Mount, which I think is, in my mind, for my faith, more central than an obscure passage in Romans." 

That is ridiculously nonsensical.  What on Earth does obscurity (which the passage certainly does not possess) have to do with it being true?  If people don't quote at least five times a day, you can ignore it?  That's a rather shoddy method of selecting passages to adhere to (ignoring the fact that you're even selecting passages to begin with).

@Bigjon: I am 100% pro-life.  If a woman in my life wanted to get an abortion, I would advise her against it.  There is religious debate about when life begins, I believe it begins at conception but I also believe it is not a issue for the government to decide.

I vote democrat.  Abortion isn't the only issue.

I don't see how using force to prevent or punish people who sin is in the new testament.  That is old testament (pre-Talmud) stuff.

When Jesus saw hurt or starving people what did he do? He fed them and healed them.  When he saw a sinner, did he ask for them to go to jail? Christianity and Judaism (including books outside of the Torah) are about more then just what not to do, they are guides to many aspects of life.

Although I am not Christian, there are some very good lessons about government in the life of Jesus Christ.  Including:

He explained the difference between the roles of religion and government to the pharisees.  And most importantly, he showed how an innocent man can be put to death by the state.  It is God's place to judge in matters of life and death.

Let's not mix politics and religion.  Jesus didn't want us to.  Late Rabbinical Scholars and Prophets didn't want us to.  And the Forefathers of the U.S. didn't want us to.

Stop insulting people with statements that are just meant to be inflammatory or disrespectful of other people's beliefs.  You can state yours without attacking others.  Now, if I say something crazy like "Abortion is wholesome and righteous", "The Republicans are all stupid", "The War in Iraq is God's task for the U.S.", or "You can't be a christian and a liberal" then you are welcome to attack me.

You still didn't answer my question Bigjon: What were you trying to imply when you were faning ignorance about Obama's religion?

I did not say you could not be a Christian if you did not obey everything in the Bible. I belief in faith based salvation, which means I believe that a homosexual can be a christian, but he will not be happy. For example, the Bible says it is wrong to think dirty thoughts, and I agree it is not a good thing... but it is pretty much impossible not too. This does not prevent me from being saved. Salvation is from trusting in Jesus to save you, and trusting only in him (not works or anything else)

I am sorry about not answering the question about Obama and religion I did not get at first what you were asking. I think his religious past is unclear, which leaves the possibility in my mind that he is playing religion because that is a good way to get votes. He made a statement about the "hicks" in PA that basically he looked down on them because they cling to Religion and Guns. That is not a statement a true christian would make. I am still not decided about him however, he still has a chance to prove my first impression wrong.

Also to Montana- The term Crazzies is not a demeaning term and I did not mean it as that. It is kinda like how Duke fans refer to themselves as the Cameron crazzies. It was implied to mean something like I was throwing this into a pit of wolves, and I cannot to see what happens because some of the stuff is rather humorous that people come up with. (like the Rumor I heard here that Sarih Palin's son impregnated his sister so they sent him off to the army and hid the pregnancy. ) 

Also, you need to know that a friend of my uses my PC occasionly, so not everything is from me. (this topic was, but some of the earlier stuff was not)