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id appreciate you doing something about this actually.... you steal all our doctors by throwing large piles of cash at them and it causes shortages here. we then have to import doctors from third world countries and the few that can speak english, dont do it very well.



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The Ghost of RubangB said:
Damn. At U.C. Berkeley here it's like $600 or $700 for the whole year. They automatically add it to your tuition unless you opt out a few weeks before school starts and they deduct the cost from your bill.

But yeah, America's totally fucked. We shouldn't be paying more for less.

We could give health care to every single person for far less money. I can't think of a reason not to anymore, unless of course... you're rich. The majority of people aren't rich and they need to remember that when they vote, the suckers.

Every time somebody votes for tax cuts and then goes bankrupt because they can't pay for health care, they should get bitch smacked.

 

I forgot you live in CA.  You wanna compare FL resident tuition vs. CA resident tuition?

(

Annualized

FL -

Cost BreakdownsResidents   
Non-Resident
Tuition and Fees* 3,790 21,400

 

 

CA -

Educational Fee 6262.00 6849.00

)

Anyway, we all know California is like Europe with bad taste and more guns.  The land of fruits and nuts.



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.

While American's live with a healthcare system where some people get excellent care, most get adequate care, and some have little or no access to healthcare ... all Canadians have little or no access to healthcare.

Realistically, the problem with healthcare around the world is that it is too expensive because people are not taking adeqate care of themself, doctors are favouring expensive new drugs over conventional therapies far too often, and malpractice insurance has become amazingly expensive due to people accepting the risks of surgery and then suing when the risk becomes a reality.



HappySqurriel said:

Doctors are favouring expensive new drugs over conventional therapies far too often.

 

And they make more money doing that.  In almost all cases, the more expensive treatment is also the most profitable.  To make things worse, most patients are naturally ill-iformed about medicine and unable to make judgements regarding which treatment they should have, so they usually leave it up to the doctor who is trying to make as much money as he can.

It would be similar to going to a used car dealership and letting the salesman choose a car and price for you.



ManusJustus said:
HappySqurriel said:

Doctors are favouring expensive new drugs over conventional therapies far too often.

 

And they make more money doing that.  In almost all cases, the more expensive treatment is also the most profitable.  To make things worse, most patients are naturally ill-iformed about medicine and unable to make judgements regarding which treatment they should have, so they usually leave it up to the doctor who is trying to make as much money as he can.

It would be similar to going to a used car dealership and letting the salesman choose a car and price for you.

 

The problem exists in countries with a socialized healthcare system where doctors don't profit from what they prescribe ... New drugs are prescribed so often because they're advertized more often, and end up in health journals more often, because the drug-companies are pushing them so heavily.

Part of the reason drug companies charge so much for new drugs, and push them so heavily, is because they have to recover research and development costs; on top of this they have to build healthy profits in order to pay for the legal costs when people sue them after one of the risks they accepted becomes a reality.

I could be wrong, but I believe it was New Zealand who was successful at dramatically reducing patient drug costs simply by funding research into the cost-benefit analysis of new drugs and publishing it in local medical journals. If you combined this with legal system reform in order to stop lawsuits from paying out to individuals when they were informed and accepted the risk of their treatment, and a comprehensive preventive-medicine program healthcare costs would be dramatically reduced and it wouldn't matter who ran the system.

Realistically speaking, no legal reform is ever going to happen while people keep electing (often corrupt) lawyers, no one is ever going to focus on preventative-medicine while it is simply easier to tell people that all their health problems can be fixed after the damage has been done, and no politician is going to outrage the drug lobby while they heavily fund their campaigns.



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For the people who have a difficult time understanding the complexities of this issue, the notable "Naked Economist," Richard Wheelan, has published the reasons for increasing health-care costs. If you are unsure as to why health-care costs are increasing at such a marked rate, please read this.

http://finance.yahoo.com/expert/article/economist/2760



steven787 said:
  

Anyway, we all know California is like Europe with bad taste and more guns.  The land of fruits and nuts.

 

 I'd just like to point out that Florida is the state with two oranges on its number plates.



ManusJustus said:
HappySqurriel said:

Doctors are favouring expensive new drugs over conventional therapies far too often.

 

And they make more money doing that.  In almost all cases, the more expensive treatment is also the most profitable.  To make things worse, most patients are naturally ill-iformed about medicine and unable to make judgements regarding which treatment they should have, so they usually leave it up to the doctor who is trying to make as much money as he can.

It would be similar to going to a used car dealership and letting the salesman choose a car and price for you.

Yea, that's illegal. A pharma company cannot pay kickbacks for writing perscriptions. Drugs yeild no profitability to doctors. Also, poor people usually aren't economically smart enough to realize that buying a name brand drug at a clinic pharmacy is stupid. You can save alot of money buy buying a generic from a walmart or target.

 



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I pay over $100 a month for my healthcare. And my healthcare plan blows.

Still when people compare healthcare plans to other countries what they ignore is America's immense size.

The population and landmass a national healthcare provider has to cover raises the prices...

We will ALWAYS pay more then Great Britian does per capita for healthcare... by a significant margin, privatized or public sector.

Personally I think because of this... Healthcare should be treated like how the schools should be treated.

State responsibility. That way you cut out the huge overhead and wastefull spending of the federal government.

Healthcare is one of the things that i think should be partially privatized.

No one ever seems to go with the mixed market approach though.  They either want everyone to be covered for everything... even the tinyiest things... or they want nothing covered.

Me... i'm for enough "universal" healthcare to make sure every worker can get patched up and go back to work, with extras for things like... laser eye surgeries and stuff.



Kasz216 said:

I pay over $100 a month for my healthcare. And my healthcare plan blows.

Still when people compare healthcare plans to other countries what they ignore is America's immense size.

The population and landmass a national healthcare provider has to cover raises the prices...

We will ALWAYS pay more then Great Britian does per capita for healthcare... by a significant margin, privatized or public sector.

Personally I think because of this... Healthcare should be treated like how the schools should be treated.

State responsibility. That way you cut out the huge overhead and wastefull spending of the federal government.

Healthcare is one of the things that i think should be partially privatized.

No one ever seems to go with the mixed market approach though.  They either want everyone to be covered for everything... even the tinyiest things... or they want nothing covered.

Me... i'm for enough "universal" healthcare to make sure every worker can get patched up and go back to work, with extras for things like... laser eye surgeries and stuff.

 

 Couldn't having it in seperate states lead to things like  people being able to pick up different prescriptions in different places, or hospitals not treating patients if their in the wrong state, or something.

I wouldn't see the latter being a huge issue, as, in the UK, the NHS wouldn't reject a foreigner for treatment most of the time.