By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Gaming - Pirates truly have no shame

Blacksaber on 03 September 2008

I would but my comp can't take much...



Former something....

Around the Network
The Anarchyz on 03 September 2008
twesterm said:
The Anarchyz said:
twesterm said:
Hephaestos said:
you guys with the viruses are crazy...

Your logic is the same as "prostitution is illegal, so i'll give aids to a prostitute so all her clients get it and can't complain it's their own fault"

Justifying doing something illegal because the person you do it to is doing something illegal shows that your moral values are even lower than the person that you try to harm. Not only does it shows twisted moral values but you seem to be enjoying the idea of such response which is really sad...

And no doing something illegal does not remove your protection, that is why people do not instal automated gun turrets that shoot anyone trespassing on their property.... there is something called "appropriate response".
(actually a guy got to jail for having killer bees as his security system and them killing a theif in his house...)

 


I've never denied being a bastard.  I personally would love it if there was a way to destroy all pirates computers and I absolutely loved it when MS made that update that bricked peoples modded 360's.

 

Yeah, but it's a 360, not a multi-purpose computer... If a MS firmware can brick a modded gaming console, that's fine (and i'm shure that was consulted with their lawyers to make it bulletproof, unless there's a loophole they did their job well), but when your company ruins hard drives that have different stuff out of your jurisdiction, then you're in serious trouble, especially if these people have work stuff in there...

I myself am a computer systems analyst, designer and developer (and now i'm learning game development), and when i start my company, i will talk to my lawyers about what can i do and what i can't do about this issue, because if i have to choose between losing sales due to piracy and being sued for millions (and losing sales because of the bad publicity), i will choose the first one...

Nobody is forcing you to risk your computer and everything on it when you pirate.  You're the one putting all that information at risk, don't try to shift around blame.

 

 

Hey, i'm not talking about moral issues here, i'm talking about LEGAL issues, you're the one that put bad code, it wasn't like a cracker outside the company did it (like the spyware in some pirated versions of Windows, they can't proove it was MS), but if you admit that you put that bad code, no matter what was the purpose, you'll lose millions in a settlement or in court, you choose...



twesterm on 03 September 2008
The Anarchyz said:
twesterm said:
The Anarchyz said:
twesterm said:
Hephaestos said:
you guys with the viruses are crazy...

Your logic is the same as "prostitution is illegal, so i'll give aids to a prostitute so all her clients get it and can't complain it's their own fault"

Justifying doing something illegal because the person you do it to is doing something illegal shows that your moral values are even lower than the person that you try to harm. Not only does it shows twisted moral values but you seem to be enjoying the idea of such response which is really sad...

And no doing something illegal does not remove your protection, that is why people do not instal automated gun turrets that shoot anyone trespassing on their property.... there is something called "appropriate response".
(actually a guy got to jail for having killer bees as his security system and them killing a theif in his house...)

 


I've never denied being a bastard.  I personally would love it if there was a way to destroy all pirates computers and I absolutely loved it when MS made that update that bricked peoples modded 360's.

 

Yeah, but it's a 360, not a multi-purpose computer... If a MS firmware can brick a modded gaming console, that's fine (and i'm shure that was consulted with their lawyers to make it bulletproof, unless there's a loophole they did their job well), but when your company ruins hard drives that have different stuff out of your jurisdiction, then you're in serious trouble, especially if these people have work stuff in there...

I myself am a computer systems analyst, designer and developer (and now i'm learning game development), and when i start my company, i will talk to my lawyers about what can i do and what i can't do about this issue, because if i have to choose between losing sales due to piracy and being sued for millions (and losing sales because of the bad publicity), i will choose the first one...

Nobody is forcing you to risk your computer and everything on it when you pirate.  You're the one putting all that information at risk, don't try to shift around blame.

 

 

Hey, i'm not talking about moral issues here, i'm talking about LEGAL issues, you're the one that put bad code, it wasn't like a cracker outside the company did it (like the spyware in some pirated versions of Windows, they can't proove it was MS), but if you admit that you put that bad code, no matter what was the purpose, you'll lose millions in a settlement or in court, you choose...

The thing is though they're the ones that *stole* the bad code (even if it was leaked on purpose, they still did it thinking they were stealing it).  If I had actually released the bad code for retail then yes, I would be in trouble, I would feel terrible, and I would deserve everything I get.

Though if some leaked copy of the game made its way onto the internet by known sources I would have no problem with peoples hard drives getting destroyed.

 



 

Hephaestos on 03 September 2008

Wrong,
if you get arrested and your computer is siezed, yeah they keep it, unless you can make a case for the fact that it is a working tool or has information that cannot be replaced without damage ^^, a court order would determine if you get it back.

And nice that you say people pirate with impunity so it justifies your illegal proposal (which you seem to think you can do also with impunity putting you in the same basket as your loved pirates), but that is the wrong answer too, the right answer would be a code that sends the people's IP so that they can be found, procecuted and have a legal punishment. You can't be judge, jury and executioner.



OoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoO

The Anarchyz on 03 September 2008
twesterm said:
The Anarchyz said:
twesterm said:
The Anarchyz said:
twesterm said:
Hephaestos said:
you guys with the viruses are crazy...

Your logic is the same as "prostitution is illegal, so i'll give aids to a prostitute so all her clients get it and can't complain it's their own fault"

Justifying doing something illegal because the person you do it to is doing something illegal shows that your moral values are even lower than the person that you try to harm. Not only does it shows twisted moral values but you seem to be enjoying the idea of such response which is really sad...

And no doing something illegal does not remove your protection, that is why people do not instal automated gun turrets that shoot anyone trespassing on their property.... there is something called "appropriate response".
(actually a guy got to jail for having killer bees as his security system and them killing a theif in his house...)

 


I've never denied being a bastard.  I personally would love it if there was a way to destroy all pirates computers and I absolutely loved it when MS made that update that bricked peoples modded 360's.

 

Yeah, but it's a 360, not a multi-purpose computer... If a MS firmware can brick a modded gaming console, that's fine (and i'm shure that was consulted with their lawyers to make it bulletproof, unless there's a loophole they did their job well), but when your company ruins hard drives that have different stuff out of your jurisdiction, then you're in serious trouble, especially if these people have work stuff in there...

I myself am a computer systems analyst, designer and developer (and now i'm learning game development), and when i start my company, i will talk to my lawyers about what can i do and what i can't do about this issue, because if i have to choose between losing sales due to piracy and being sued for millions (and losing sales because of the bad publicity), i will choose the first one...

Nobody is forcing you to risk your computer and everything on it when you pirate.  You're the one putting all that information at risk, don't try to shift around blame.

 

 

Hey, i'm not talking about moral issues here, i'm talking about LEGAL issues, you're the one that put bad code, it wasn't like a cracker outside the company did it (like the spyware in some pirated versions of Windows, they can't proove it was MS), but if you admit that you put that bad code, no matter what was the purpose, you'll lose millions in a settlement or in court, you choose...

The thing is though they're the ones that *stole* the bad code (even if it was leaked on purpose, they still did it thinking they were stealing it).  If I had actually released the bad code for retail then yes, I would be in trouble, I would feel terrible, and I would deserve everything I get.

Though if some leaked copy of the game made its way onto the internet by known sources I would have no problem with peoples hard drives getting destroyed.

 

 

I feel the same way, unfortunatley our legal system is not perfect (although is better than others), one time a guy lose 300,000 in medical care because he broke some bones of a thief that broke into the house and he sued him, and there are lawyers that say that they could get even more money...



Around the Network
Hephaestos on 03 September 2008
twesterm said:

The thing is though they're the ones that *stole* the bad code (even if it was leaked on purpose, they still did it thinking they were stealing it). If I had actually released the bad code for retail then yes, I would be in trouble, I would feel terrible, and I would deserve everything I get.

Though if some leaked copy of the game made its way onto the internet by known sources I would have no problem with peoples hard drives getting destroyed.

 

 

So you say that knowingly puting a virus on the net with the intent of harming a select group of individuals is not a crime?

Also for your information, if your company releases the code to the public willingly, it becomes LEGAL downloads....and you are the only one breaking the law.



OoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoO

rendo on 03 September 2008
Hephaestos said:
twesterm said:

The thing is though they're the ones that *stole* the bad code (even if it was leaked on purpose, they still did it thinking they were stealing it). If I had actually released the bad code for retail then yes, I would be in trouble, I would feel terrible, and I would deserve everything I get.

Though if some leaked copy of the game made its way onto the internet by known sources I would have no problem with peoples hard drives getting destroyed.

 

 

So you say that knowingly puting a virus on the net with the intent of harming a select group of individuals is not a crime?

Also for your information, if your company releases the code to the public willingly, it becomes LEGAL downloads....and you are the only one breaking the law.

Oh snap, I see what you did there.  Win!

 



Hephaestos on 03 September 2008

oh and piracy is not stealing, there is nothing disapearing, it is copying without authorisation.... like making a fake nike shoe or prada bag. The loss is solely in potential revenues and even then, they are just potential as the end user may never have goten the item at full price.



OoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoO

JaggedSac on 03 September 2008

****ing pirates should rot in the lowest level of hell.



twesterm on 03 September 2008
Hephaestos said:
twesterm said:

The thing is though they're the ones that *stole* the bad code (even if it was leaked on purpose, they still did it thinking they were stealing it). If I had actually released the bad code for retail then yes, I would be in trouble, I would feel terrible, and I would deserve everything I get.

Though if some leaked copy of the game made its way onto the internet by known sources I would have no problem with peoples hard drives getting destroyed.

 

 

So you say that knowingly puting a virus on the net with the intent of harming a select group of individuals is not a crime?

Also for your information, if your company releases the code to the public willingly, it becomes LEGAL downloads....and you are the only one breaking the law.

who said I put it there?  I would never say that.  Some unknown source somehow stole it from our servers and then released.  It's not our fault he happened to find the build that had that terrible bug in it.

Hephaestos said:
oh and piracy is not stealing, there is nothing disapearing, it is copying without authorisation.... like making a fake nike shoe or prada bag. The loss is solely in potential revenues and even then, they are just potential as the end user may never have goten the item at full price.

 

Completely different discussion that I'm just not going to get into here so don't bother trying.  In short, you couldn't be more wrong. 

If for some odd reason you do bother trying to reply, you'll have to come up with an answer for this before I even consider taking you seriously: if piracy isn't stealing, why is it again the law?