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You will notice I mentioned only the campaign. I deliberately didn't mention multiplayer because it's obvious that that is what hotkeys are more useful for.

This.

 then you are failing on to points what is an rts without multiplayer and what is a hardcore game without multiplayer... and one more thing, more difficult doesnt mean its more hardcore, joystick are more difficult for aiming on fps but that doesnt mean its more hardcore than a mouse and a keyboard thats what you are not getting

well to make my point more valid see this video of starcraft at the 13:30 minute mark if you dont want to see it all and see how real rts games are played and when you can do that on consoles give me a call and i will eat my words http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0AX3vSHfI8&feature=related

If you play the old Unreal Tournament, or Counter Strike with a joystick(without a speed reduction), youll have your ass handed to you online. FPSes are made slower for consoles. Im not saying they arent good but the mouse,keyboard combination remains the best for FPSes currently. Of course,there are many genres where the tables are turned ,like simulations,sports,platformers. But FPS an RTS are not one of those.

How is using the best control method less hardcore?  Many console games implement aim assist.  For example if you are just aiming forward, and someone runs across your crosshair, it will move slightly to follow them.  Not to mention they are often just slower to make using joysticks more feasible.  Is using an awful computer that only gets 10 fps on a game more hardcore because it is harder to play?

As for RTS's, you said the differences were an illusion.  Just because it is possible to complete the campaign with a controller doesn't mean it is even on par with a kb/mouse.

Goes both ways, buddy, goes both ways.

I love playing games on my PC, and play games almost exclusively on it. Almost all my friends play games on the PC, and out of say, 20 of my friends, we all have PCs, and probably 15 of us play games occasionally to regularly. Out of the 20 of us, only 4 of us own a current gen console.

And then I get people on this site telling me "PC gaming is stupid, expensive, and needs to die."

Who's the elitist? I'm going to keep playing games on my PC because it's actually affordable, has awesome graphics, and in my opinion the best controls available.

That's hardly an elitist opinion...I don't see a good argument against it. There's good things about both platforms, but I don't go around saying console gaming needs to die, so you guys can go on with your elitist thread.

That deserves a round of applause.

Seriously though...I think console gamers need to check themselves and see why perhaps some gamers might only prefer a PC, instead of turning into ravid fanboys.

There are a ton of valid reasons why one would only play PC games, just like someone might only want a Wii, 360 or PS3.

For myself, I own a Wii, but I hardly play it anymore other than Brawl a couple times a week. It's just too expensive, and that goes even more for 360 and PS3.

Almost everyone owns a computer...to pay a little more to make it a high-end machine is not hard at all...it's like $200 above what you'd pay for a decent regular computer. And games start cheap and get cheaper really fast. It doesn't makes sense NOT to play exclusively on the PC.

It's got the best graphics, you can do whatever you want on your PC...it's a PC after all...it's got the best controls, simply because even if you don't like using a mouse and keyboard, you can use a gamepad for almost any game.

No it's not always easy to set up your PC in your living room with your HDTV. It is possible though. But who cares! PC gaming is generally a single person experience, with plenty of online multiplayer to keep it social. If you prefer split-screen games on the couch, then play your consoles! That's what they're for. Don't act like every single platform has to cater to the same dumb audience.

Todays consoles wouldn't exist, if they wouldn't be PC gaming. Also hardware wouldn't make such a huge steps, if there wouldn't be PC gaming. Damn, am I being elitist now or just speaking the truth? :)

---True elitism part---
I don't (usually) play console games, because there isn't a single game that I would find fun. Most of games are just some dumbed down games of some genres/games. I like games that make you use your brain and I really haven't found any on consoles(I am not talking about games like Buzz! or puzzlequest...).

So all that combined in one sentence:
I see console games as games for mindless masses and therefore they do not interest me.
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(/me is trying to predict which way to jump to evade first ban hammer hit.)