What about Clock Tower 3?

"Survival action horror game" is a contradiction. Action indicates lots of fighting, and that is not what survival horror is about. The principal way in which survival horror actually leaves the player frightened is the complete imbalance between his character and the enemy. It needs lots of other elements, but this is the basis for the scares.

A lack of effective weapons, of ammo, of health items - these make you fear an encounter with the enemy. You can't fear that encounter if you're armed to the teeth.

RE4 can be simply called an action horror game, although as Disolitude said there are no more than a couple of scary parts.

And I wish I could agree with you but I personally don't think that it's an incredible game.

if you 3 years old maybe. :/

There's alot of New IP coming out - cursed mountain and alan wake

RE5 might go back to survival horror, or RE6 might

Alone in the dark seems to have been a waste of potential - maybe the next one

Arguing about the definition of survival horror is just retarded. Dead Space and RE4/5 are both horror games in a sense that they portray Zombies and or Horrific monsters and the game itself is meant to scare the player.

You people seem to think that the only survival horror game that fits your definition would be one that has no guns or fighting and you just run away from everything on screen until you get to the end of the level. Just because horror movies do this in just about every scene doesn't mean that video games need to follow suit. 

So, am I the only person who finds it really interesting that the argument a lot of people are using on RE4 is the same that people use on popular Wii games?

Example:
"It looks like there aren't going to be anymore new survival horror games coming out ever"
"What about RE4?"
"That's not a REAL survival horror game. REAL games follow this really specific formula."

"It looks like there aren't going to be anymore new good games coming out ever"
"What about Wii Sports/Music/Animal Crossing?"
"Those aren't REAl games. REAL games follow this really specific formula."

Anyway, I'm glad that we are getting more 'fake' survival horror games like RE4 compared to 'real' ones like RE1-3. I used to own RE2 and I couldn't get past the very beginning. It was a terrible game. The controls sucked, and even if you got over the clunky as hell controls you would still never be able to kill anything because you only get like 3 bullets in the entire game. OTOH, I've beaten RE4 at least 3 times, and gotten all the extra unlockable stuff.

Bu todays standards RE2 may be looked upon as bad but Resident Evil 2 did as much if not more for videogaming in general in 1998 than resident evil 4 ever will. If you don't see this then you either are new to gaming or are a younger dude...which is cool. I guess you had to be there back then to see it...

Took long enough for people to say Alan Wake.

Very excited for the game if it launches in '09.

And you have L4D, Dead Space, SH5 this year, and RE5 next year. So there are new IP's. They just are taking a more varied route than what we've seen with the SH/RE clones.

As far as Silent Hill 2 goes, I just picked it up earlier this week and popped it in for the first time tonight. So far I think the game is trash. It has that asstastic control scheme that made the original Resident Evil games so much fun. And WTF is up with save points, the manual only describes them as mysterious red things.

Needless to say I played the game for about and hour, walked around with nothing to do but stare at fog and died without finding a save point. Now if I want to play it again I have to start over and walk around for another hour all while trying to find this mysterious red thing the manual doesn't even bother to show you a good picture of.

If this is your idea of a "true" survival horror game you can fucking keep it.

Fatal Frame 4 and Cursed Mountains look promising.

Who mentioned Dead Space? This is a simple Ego-Shooter not an survival Horror. And Alan Wait will be the first game for the next console generation.