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Good for the company that they're looking out for profits, bad for PS3 exclusive count, because MS is also bringing in developers to its first party, but on top of that, they are securing exclusivity deals, and taking the free exclusivity Sony has enjoyed for a while, away from the console.

Publishers like Square-Enix can and will obviously go to the highest bidder. If Sony isn't bidding anything, they're not gonna keep a lot of exclusives, and the 360 might even get a couple.

It appears Konami and Kojima are ready to go multiplat with their development next wave of games according to his recent comments about MGS4(Not MGS4 itself, but Kojima said he's be open to developing on the PC and porting to consoles, so people would stop bothering him about hardware). You know Capcom is down for anything that makes them money in any way.

I mean, Sony can talk about how they aren't gonna spend any money on publishers anymore, all they want, but there are times when you need to move a little money around to keep up. It's hard to get into specifics without someone trying to burn me down, but let's say Microsoft starts paying EA to release their games a week early on the 360. Sony would have to respond to that. Their, "We don't negotiate with terrorists" motto just can't hold water for too long, when publishers have nothing to lose but free Microsoft money.

Sony didn't beat Nintendo for 2 generations by NOT spending money on 3rd party publishers.



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

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ZenfoldorVGI said:

Good for the company that they're looking out for profits, bad for PS3 exclusive count, because MS is also bringing in developers to its first party, but on top of that, they are securing exclusivity deals, and taking the free exclusivity Sony has enjoyed for a while, away from the console.

Publishers like Square-Enix can and will obviously go to the highest bidder. If Sony isn't bidding anything, they're not gonna keep a lot of exclusives, and the 360 might even get a couple.

It appears Konami and Kojima are ready to go multiplat with their development next wave of games according to his recent comments about MGS4(Not MGS4 itself, but Kojima said he's be open to developing on the PC and porting to consoles, so people would stop bothering him about hardware). You know Capcom is down for anything that makes them money in any way.

I mean, Sony can talk about how they aren't gonna spend any money on publishers anymore, all they want, but there are times when you need to move a little money around to keep up. It's hard to get into specifics without someone trying to burn me down, but let's say Microsoft starts paying EA to release their games a week early on the 360. Sony would have to respond to that. Their, "We don't negotiate with terrorists" motto just can't hold water for too long, when publishers have nothing to lose but free Microsoft money.

Sony didn't beat Nintendo for 2 generations by NOT spending money on 3rd party publishers.

 

Mind telling me who? After the creation of Mistwalker (who is still wholly independent), all Microsoft has done is let BioWare and Biazarre get picked up other publishers.  Who knows what's going on with Itigaki, but Team Ninja is now defunct, so I don't expect to be seeing new versions of Dead or Alive or Ninja Gaiden on the way, at least none developed by the original team or exclusive to the 360.

If Microsoft was really doing what you say, they would've bought BioWare, Bizarre, and grabbed Itigaki the moment he left Tecmo, as these were all developers to which Microsoft had very strong ties, much like the relationship between Sony and Zipper, Geurrilla, and Evolution Studios before buying each.

And then there's the little issue of Bungie now being second party (though they will still be making exclusives in the future, so it's a moot point, really - but still, one less developer Microsoft can claim as being "first party").

My main issue with the 360 at the moment is Microsoft's lack of first party titles.  Most of their exclusives are merely timed, as usually the best contract they can make with a third party is 6-12 months of exclusivity, like Bioshock and Eternal Sonata.  Only titles that MS themselves publish stay exclusive, though even many of those find there way to the PC at some point (Gears of War was announced for friggin' Macs!).

The only developer Microsoft owns whom I really like is Ensemble Studios (whom I LOVE - AoEII and AoM are awesome), and Halo Wars is their first console game, and thus my first real temptation to buy a 360 - or would be, were it not for the knowledge that the game will likely end up on PC down the line, and probably be much better for it, seeing as it is an RTS.  Other than that, there's not much for me that Microsoft offers, and it seems to me as if their first and second parties have only gotten smaller since the beginning of this generation.  They have stepped up the third party game, but, like I said, those usually only stay exclusive for a year at best, and most are now multiplat from the getgo.



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CGI-Quality said:
makingmusic476 said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:

Good for the company that they're looking out for profits, bad for PS3 exclusive count, because MS is also bringing in developers to its first party, but on top of that, they are securing exclusivity deals, and taking the free exclusivity Sony has enjoyed for a while, away from the console.

Publishers like Square-Enix can and will obviously go to the highest bidder. If Sony isn't bidding anything, they're not gonna keep a lot of exclusives, and the 360 might even get a couple.

It appears Konami and Kojima are ready to go multiplat with their development next wave of games according to his recent comments about MGS4(Not MGS4 itself, but Kojima said he's be open to developing on the PC and porting to consoles, so people would stop bothering him about hardware). You know Capcom is down for anything that makes them money in any way.

I mean, Sony can talk about how they aren't gonna spend any money on publishers anymore, all they want, but there are times when you need to move a little money around to keep up. It's hard to get into specifics without someone trying to burn me down, but let's say Microsoft starts paying EA to release their games a week early on the 360. Sony would have to respond to that. Their, "We don't negotiate with terrorists" motto just can't hold water for too long, when publishers have nothing to lose but free Microsoft money.

Sony didn't beat Nintendo for 2 generations by NOT spending money on 3rd party publishers.

 

Mind telling me who? After the creation of Mistwalker (who is still wholly independent), all Microsoft has done is let BioWare and Biazarre get picked up other publishers.  Who knows what's going on with Itigaki, but Team Ninja is now defunct, so I don't expect to be seeing new versions of Dead or Alive or Ninja Gaiden on the way, at least none developed by the original team or exclusive to the 360.

If Microsoft was really doing what you say, they would've bought BioWare, Bizarre, and grabbed Itigaki the moment he left Tecmo, as these were all developers to which Microsoft had very strong ties, much like the relationship between Sony and Zipper, Geurrilla, and Evolution Studios before buying each.

And then there's the little issue of Bungie now being second party (though they will still be making exclusives in the future, so it's a moot point, really - but still, one less developer Microsoft can claim as being "first party").

My main issue with the 360 at the moment is Microsoft's lack of first party titles.  Most of their exclusives are merely timed, as usually the best contract they can make with a third party is 6-12 months of exclusivity, like Bioshock and Eternal Sonata.  Only titles that MS themselves publish stay exclusive, though even many of those find there way to the PC at some point (Gears of War was announced for friggin' Macs!).

The only developer Microsoft owns whom I really like is Ensemble Studios (whom I LOVE - AoEII and AoM are awesome).  Other than that, there's not much for me, and it seems to me as if their first and second parties have only gotten smaller since the beginning of this generation.  They have stepped up the third party game, but, like I said, those usually only stay exclusive for a year at best, and most are now multiplat from the getgo.

Actually Nintendo lost the 64 generation due to their format being behind the competition in terms of CD-ROM vs Cartridge and they lost last gen for nearly the same reason the mini disc didnt help the Gamecube when M$ and Sony had the technology the 3rd party devs were willing to work with DVD - ya gotta know your history. Not everybody is like M$ and throws money at everyone to secure exclusives. Anyway I'm glad Sony is focusing more on their own 1st party games that actually utilize the PS3 rather than rushed 3rd party titles that generally don't utilize any console unless it's exclusive (I.E. Gears of war, MGS4) not trying to sound like a fanboy just giving my opinion please no flaming.

 

 

Quoted the wrong guy, eh? 



Dodece said:
I think everyone is going off on a tandem. When Sony is having difficulty securing exclusives due to cost. Then it is a reasonable assumption that money is a real issue. Where is the logic in saying their strategy should be to purchase actual developers. When purchasing developers is far more expensive then purchasing exclusives. That is not a solution to the problem that is an exacerbation.

You do not solve a problem by making the problem worse. When you cannot afford to spend a moderate amount of money you sure as hell cannot go out and spend a massive amount of money. Unless you think he is just bitching to hear himself bitch. Sony obviously has some financial constraints, and that is understandable their game division bled a lot of money over the past year and a half. So a rational human being will concede if they cannot spend twenty million a quarter they probably cannot afford to spend a hundred million dollars on acquiring a new company with all the associated costs.

There is efficient and then there is stupid. Spending far more then you can afford, because you cannot afford something is the definition of stupid. Especially if your trying to solve an immediate problem rather then a long term one. What David Reeves is talking about is being more efficient with what he has. Like a intelligent person would do.

Sony cannot afford to go toe to toe with Microsoft, and there is even a question whether they could afford to go after these high end exclusives without Microsoft paying for them in the first place. What they can afford to do however is be frugal with their money and, stretch it to get the most. That is why they are giving small developers small sums of money to help them get their games off the ground. Doing that they may actually get half a dozen small titles rather then one huge title. To go against the six huge titles Microsoft will have.

No its not a winning strategy it is a sustainable survival strategy. Which is the right mindset to have. We need to stop thinking of how Sony can somehow win the exclusive wars, and think about how Sony can survive said wars and financially recover. Many of you would have Sony coughing out another half billion buying out small developers to get five exclusive games over the next year. That is not brilliant that is deranged. Especially when Microsoft will respond by spending less to buy thirty exclusive games.

Wouldn't that be a blessing for Sony.

 

 Its a good point to make but its the smarter of the two. If Sony tried to buy exclusives it would turn into an ebay auction between Sony and MS. Developers aren't stupid they would play it up for even more money. No Sony exclusive has ever sold below 500k at least in this gen. It may be more money up front but the reward is definitely worth it. Nintendo makes money hand over fist from this strategy and as Makingmusic476 has outlined they have working on this front for years. Sure its cheaper for Microsoft to buy exclusives but they become less a factor when enhanced versions come to the PS3. See bioshock, Ninja Gaiden, eternal sonata and Lost Planet and now theres rumors of dead rising (2) coming to the PS3 after its Wii debut with Crackdown 2 already on the way. I agree with you that purchasing exclusives is cheaper in the short run but getting into bidding wars with MS would noly skyrocket the price. Also look at EA games profits with all the smaller studios they keep purchasing. Sony will use all of these exclusives to push their format. Heres a list of games average consumer that will never appear on another system. Oh yea and the game that you want on the 360 will be arriving in 7 months to our platform. Everyone agrees that the strategy works for Nintendo, why wouldn't it work for Sony?



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So this means no kingdom hearts 3 exclusive deal with square :/?



ctk495 said:
So this means no kingdom hearts 3 exclusive deal with square :/?

 

 no deal i think