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ROBOTECHHEAVEN on 26 August 2008

thier is plenty of 360 games that have the so called quality of msg4. msg4 is a good game but its no where near the best game of this gen, not even close. i beat the game the ending and cutscenes were very good, but the overall scope of the game wasnt as good, and their isnt a single thing after playing mgs4 that makes me think that the 360 cant do this. if anyone is going to buy a ps3 i would tell them to get uncharted drakes fortune, to me thats a better game. thats the game that made me buy a ps3. i think after 6 months to a year u will see a mgs4 version on the 360. and i think u could put the game on 5 disks tops, 1 disk per act. if it stays on the ps3, then good for the ps3 fans, but i think u will see konami move future mgs games on more systems, since square-enix did it.



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Jordahn on 26 August 2008
SHMUPGurus said:
Jordahn said:
SHMUPGurus said:
Jordahn said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Jordahn said:
SHMUPGurus said:
Arkk said:
Putting it out directly on PC with no other versions would have been economical suicide for the game IMO. Good thing he didn't go that way lol. And I am glad that MGS4 is a PS3 game. One disc is always a good thing.

Wait, didn't the best PS1 RPGs have 3-4 discs? What's so hard about changing discs? I'll never understand this argument. o_o

 

Better to change 3 to 4 CD instead of 1000 cartridges.  Better to have one Blu-ray over 3 to 4 DVD's.  Obviously the latter isn't as bad as the former, but the principle still stands that if you have a better choice, take it.  And that's the big picture.

 

 

You're argue the same point Kojima was saying didn't matter.

 

My statement has nothing to do with Kojima.  My legit point has everything to do with contextual perception of SHMUPGurus' statement.

Your principle doesn't stand, as I was talking about the generation of console in which the PS1 was (5th generation). So, you're saying there were some N64 games with more than 1 cartridges?

All I'll say is this: I hope a developer isn't going to reconsider releasing a game on PC/Xbox 360/Wii because Blu-ray is a more ''obvious'' choice compared to DVDs that are, as far as I know, still the most successful video and data storage media in the world.

 

My prinicple still stands as I will explain.  I too was referring to the 32/64 bit era in which SONY and Squaresoft released an add for FFVII in which they stated that FFVII would have theorethically been on over a 1,000 cartridges if it weren't released on a disc based system such as the PSOne.  And I am not saying that Blu-ray is an "obvious" choice because it isn't.  My point was that I agree with Arkk's point that one disc is always a good thing in context that we have that choice as opposed to several discs instead.  And I'm not saying that several discs is bad.  Just making a general agreement that if something is "better," then take advantage of it if it serves your purpose.

So, basically, you're thinking that MGS4 on the 360 would look like this:

Squaresoft simply choose the PlayStation 1 at the time because of the FMVs. It wasn't a bad move, since pretty much all the other high profile RPG developers (and many others) copied the concept for their future games, but MGS4... It didn't need that much space to incorporate anything new. Sure, the game has a lot of cutscenes, but if that's the only thing it needs Blu-ray for, then what the heck? =/

 

First of all, I resent the MGS4 mock up because I do not digress to such fanboy tactics.  If that's how you feel of me, then maybe you should not project yourself on others.  And second, the preference to use FMV as you have stated which was ONE of the reasons would require more space than an N64 cartridge RAM.  IIRC, the RAM stroage space was anywhere from 2MB to as high as 16MB later on in the N64's lifetime.  If I'm wrong, please correct me.  And thirdly, I cannot vouch if Blu-ray was one of the reasons why Kojima kept MGS4 a PS3 exclusive for whatever reasons.



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DOATS1 on 26 August 2008

all this over a game that has already been released, proven itself over reviews and user feedback, and has got great sales.

the game done as well as it should have done. it's on the ps3 and it's going nowhere else. why is there an arguement?




SHMUPGurus on 26 August 2008
Jordahn said:

First of all, I resent the MGS4 mock up because I do not digress to such fanboy tactics.  If that's how you feel of me, then maybe you should not project yourself on others.  And second, the preference to use FMV as you have stated which was ONE of the reasons would require more space than an N64 cartridge RAM.  IIRC, the RAM stroage space was anywhere from 2MB to as high as 16MB later on in the N64's lifetime.  If I'm wrong, please correct me.  And thirdly, I cannot vouch if Blu-ray was one of the reasons why Kojima kept MGS4 a PS3 exclusive for whatever reasons.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not calling you a fanboy or anything. Also, no need to tell me that the N64 cartridge was much smaller than a CD at the time. =P

To just get down to the point, I just find it annoying that people still use the Blu-ray VS DVD argument, even for an exclusive! I mean, did the original poster of that post we've been arguing about (lol, I can't believe this) REALLY have to mention this?

And just for the heck of it, I would seriously not care to change 1000 times a cartridge. But these issues are not going to happen anymore anyway, so it's impertinent to bring that up.



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makingmusic476 on 26 August 2008
S.T.A.G.E. said:
shanbcn said:
Kojima we salute you. And to xbots, forgot about it because MGS4 will always remain PS3 exclusive.

 

 Silly fanboy. I understand Kojima completely. He said it himself that you shouldn't worry about the system that he puts it on as long as it exists. It's exclusivity on PS3 was inevitable so you should feel lucky. You're just like a christian, when the guy you worship didn't even believe in religion and fanatics like yourself created one anyway.

Not sure how I didn't see this post early...

You essentially just called every Christian a fanatic who believes in BS.  That's not cool.  At all.



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playnext3 on 26 August 2008

yeah common people let him alon and stop dreaming



Jordahn on 26 August 2008
SHMUPGurus said:
Jordahn said:

First of all, I resent the MGS4 mock up because I do not digress to such fanboy tactics.  If that's how you feel of me, then maybe you should not project yourself on others.  And second, the preference to use FMV as you have stated which was ONE of the reasons would require more space than an N64 cartridge RAM.  IIRC, the RAM stroage space was anywhere from 2MB to as high as 16MB later on in the N64's lifetime.  If I'm wrong, please correct me.  And thirdly, I cannot vouch if Blu-ray was one of the reasons why Kojima kept MGS4 a PS3 exclusive for whatever reasons.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not calling you a fanboy or anything. Also, no need to tell me that the N64 cartridge was much smaller than a CD at the time. =P

To just get down to the point, I just find it annoying that people still use the Blu-ray VS DVD argument, even for an exclusive! I mean, did the original poster of that post we've been arguing about (lol, I can't believe this) REALLY have to mention this?

And just for the heck of it, I would seriously not care to change 1000 times a cartridge. But these issues are not going to happen anymore anyway, so it's impertinent to bring that up.

As I stated earlier, I don't know if Blu-ray was or was not an incentive for Kojima, and to me it'a a moot point unless he brings it up himself.  But I know some other developers have mentioned it for whatever reasons.  But for the guy who mentioned "one disc," I'm just tired of people downplaying the advantage of having an advantage when it is plausable.



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Jordahn on 26 August 2008
makingmusic476 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
shanbcn said:
Kojima we salute you. And to xbots, forgot about it because MGS4 will always remain PS3 exclusive.

 

 Silly fanboy. I understand Kojima completely. He said it himself that you shouldn't worry about the system that he puts it on as long as it exists. It's exclusivity on PS3 was inevitable so you should feel lucky. You're just like a christian, when the guy you worship didn't even believe in religion and fanatics like yourself created one anyway.

Not sure how I didn't see this post early...

You essentially just called every Christian a fanatic who believes in BS.  That's not cool.  At all.

 

This guy is just angry inside.  First shanbcn makes a legit point because he is right about the xbots, NOT referring to gamers who own a 360.  There is a difference here, and STAGES'S actions implies where he stands.  Also, Jesus denounced religion while those who Believe in Him and Him alone for Salvation ARE Christians.  STAGE doesn't know what he is talking about.  He needs to chill.



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naraku2099 on 26 August 2008
reask said:
What does he mean by the hardware?

Is he saying it could be done on 360?

Did you read the post?

"Pressed on MGS4’s exclusivity and the possibility of an Xbox 360 port, Kojima reiterated that the PS3 had been chosen because he believed that the series’ success had been entwined with PlayStation’s, and admitted that “because MGS4 was optimised for the PS3 it is probably not possible”.

 



gengka on 26 August 2008

he is right about something, we have already forgotten ourselves as gamers. lets back to the origin of our soul --- the games. why shud we call ourselves "gamers" but not "console users" ?

we shud b talking more abt the games from now on