Wow, you're actually being rather reasonable here. I'm impressed. First the adbot thing, now this... if I didn't know any better, I'd think you were trying to get on my good side. What happened to Kwaad the troll? You're pretty much supporting my statement... programming a good AI is a matter of good optimization. It isn't what should be taking the bulk of your processing time. heck, last gen LucasArts games ran dozens of (albiet simpler) AIs at the same time.

The 360 and PS3 version will be... almost the exact same.... save one will have good online But. It's hardley a PS3 "demo" since it was runnin on a 360 dev kit http://www.blasteroids.com/games/file_details.cfm/9783/star_wars_next_gen Also: AI is mostly branching... And the SPEs in cell. CANT do branching worth an damn. So... Useing cell to do traditional AI. Like on PC and every other consoel. Is a pain. And I can cite the hell out of this.... if you want to argue.

Of course I don't think it'll be the same game on DS, why the hell would anybody think that? I'm just saying that it's not an exlusive, and is coming out on a bunch of systems, including the 360, which will most likely be on level with the PS3 in terms of what it will look like and do.

Hey. Kwaad. Guess what. It's coming out for 360 too. Just in case you still don't get it... You know it was coming out for other systems...you just wanted to pretend the PS3 was the only system getting this great game. It's sad that it won't be on the Wii...but then again this isn't the best kind of game for the Wii...the concept of "Force Unleashed" is having super force powers...kinda gimmicky, but the physics do look cool for a console game. LucasArts has said that they love the Wii and the potential for lightsaber fun, and they are going to work on Wii exclusives as well...that was announced after this game though, so it'll be a bit.

Kwaad, while you make some good points, it has already been proven your wrong, so I'm sorry. I think your getting carried away with the ps3 power. There's no doubting the ps3 is the strongest system, but it is still far too early for them to be showing up 360 in graphics and what not. I give them props for almost matching what 360 took a while to do, but I think you should give it a year or so before you start praising the ps3's superiority in graphics.

if you guys think I lied on purpose. GO FUCK YOURSELF. I dont lie. I dont need to. What I read about the game. I did not see it for another console. So one agian. You say I lie? GO FUCK YOURSELF. I am very mellow and calm. I do NOT like being told I am a liar. Go read my post after someone said multi-patform

See I admitted I was wrong. So once again. if you said I lied. GO FUCK YOURSELF. well the power of the Cell is doing stuff like that. I'm not gonna say the Cell could compress a zip file faster than what is on the 360... ok I will. but not much faster. :P But running physics, and sheer math stuff like that... the Cell is like 10x faster than any CPU that works with games. :P And once agian. let me list names of people who should go... FUCK YOURSELF. BenKenobi88. And sieanr... just go fuck yourself with that troll club I handed you. stof - And what i mean about hard on CPU, is that 10x10 grid maze, could be done in 2 or 3 seconds brute forceing it on my computer. It could be finessed to be done in about 100 cycles. However when you add the 3rd lvl of pathing. it gets ALOT harder. Name me one game with 3D pathfinding? (that actually works and does a good job) And AI uses quite a bit of power. To do it useing less power you need to go into fuzzy logic, wich is hard on the CPU on it's own, but it's ALOT easier than brute forceing the AI. However that is only useing 2D. Like I said, the 3D uses... alot more power. for my 100x100 grid... it would be 100x100x100 grid... or the math would look like this for total brute force tries. 1.e+20000 That is up from 1.e+200 infact that is 100x more complex. Meaning if the un-optized 2d plot would take 1second. it would take 100 seconds. or 1minute and 40 seconds. That is a VERY small and SIMPLE 3D pathing. go from 100x100x100 to the 10000x10000x10000 you would be looking at a computation that would take years on a top of the line computer. (without optimizeations) There is one math equation that can do it in 2d ALOT faster than in 3D. However going to 3D I dont beleive that equation would work. So back to my point. it uses ALOT of power. A standard x86 would choke on that kinda math. But a RISC processor would be able to fly though it. A Cell is a special RISC processor that is designed for doing stuff like that... fast. :) Wich is 95% of CPU use in games. I think that is what hurt the original X-Box so much. Also, for those of you who say PC games look that great. They do look good and such... but I have a 400$ Graphics card, and I have yet to find a game I'm not CPU limited in. Oblivion @ 1080p... Everything on? Nope. Exact same Framerate as at 1280x1024 the CPU on computers is what is holding back games. I right now, think the PS3 has more power than a home PC. As the graphics cards have passed the CPUs by so far right now... there is no advantage to haveing a graphics card FASTER than what is in the PS3... The new 8800 graphics card for 300$ will blow a 300$ CPU out of the water. You SLI those 300$ graphics cards... and you need a 5Ghz C2D. (they top out at about 3Ghz). My point is. CPU means everything. I have always said the 360 has a good CPU. it's MUCH better than a PC. However unlike the PS3. it is ALOT more like a PC. (recompile the code and there you go) the PS3 has only 20% of it's power on the main chip. the other 80% is on everything else, wich the code to use those, is quite hard to use. (as in you have to write specifically for it... it is easier to write) Everyone talks about how hard it is to write for the Cell. the Cell is very easy to program for. The reason it is hard... is because these companies have to restart EVERYTHING from scratch. (to use the power) I beleive most companies today just have basic optimizations they slap onto the consoles to run on the hardware. The code was done once, and is used over and over and over and over agian. For the PS3 it has to be done completely over agian. It is all new. And trying to use it like a 'traditional' system WILL NOT WORK. For basic math I would say the PS3 is at least 2x faster than the 360, wich is about 5x faster than a top of the line computer. (RISC processors are animals) I am more saying. Expect most games from the PS3 to do stuff like that, as once people learn how to 'use' the PS3, it will have enough power to do that. Optimized for the PS3 and expect alot more. And if anyone wants to compare the graphics cards. I just want to say this. the graphics card on the 360 is about 5% slower than that of the PS3. However it dont stop there. The 360 dedicates about 20 to 30% of it's power DIRECTLY to AA. Meaning 20-30% of the 360's graphics card is useless for anything BUT AA. Wich makes the PS3's graphics card at least 30% faster. If anyone wants to say anything about the unified shader model, your mistaken once agian. It is good for PCs.. (really good) because the games can be better 'tweaked' to the hardware. EG: I'm contracted to port Halo3 to the PC. Useing a unified shader model, I dont have to worry about optimizeing for specifc graphics cards. And the diffrent 'classes' of graphics cards are more... similar. Some have 96unified shaders. My old graphics card has 16 pixel and 16 vertex. Some graphics cards dont have equal numbers. When building a game, limitations such as xpixel and xvertex shaders dont effect you, as long as you know how many you can work with. A game built for 4 of each shaders... will look the same on a card with 16 of each shader. A game made for a card with 16 of each shader... will look HORRIBLE on a 4shader card. Welcome to the PC world. where you cant optimize. Unified shaders, help allow for optimizations. On a Console with set numbers... it dosent really effect it. Look at FF12. Made for a processor about the same speed as a 2Ghz P3. And a graphics card about the same speed as GeForce 1. IF you can run a modern game on a GeForce4... it looks NOTHING like FF12. Why? It's the optimizations that I mentioned. If you build a game specifially for a card it will look better... Look at Chronicles of Riddick: Escape from Butchers Bay. It required a GeForce4. Yet it ran just fine on the X-Box wich has something about the speed of a GeForce2. Why does the PC need litterally 4x the power? Optimizations. Optimizations is what makes games look great. The PS3 is ALOT more optimizable than the 360. My basis comes form the Cell processor... It is HIGHLY optimizeable. and then the Graphics card. It's harder to comapre... the Graphics card on the 360 is more customizable, but from my experience with computers. ATi cards are easier to optimize than Nvidia. Howeve the Nvidia optimizes better than the ATi. So moral of story. 360 = MUCH easier to make games for. PS3 = More power, More possiblity FOR power. And if you talk to a dev... that is basically what they all developers say... unless they spew crap.

So wait. Are you telling me to go fuck myself because I pointed out it was multiplat? or because I said you should compare the PS3 version to the 360 version instead of the DS one? Because thats all I said, you crazy troll you.

Was your name listed on my... list? :P No it wasnt. You hold valid points. and you didnt call me a liar. :) You said I was wrong. I am human, I am not perfect. But I am NOT a liar. Also I just want to say. Yulegoat http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/826/826843/vids_1.html

Chill dude, chill!! Lets try and keep these boards civil - hate to see this end up like other boards. Kwaad - Im sorry, but you were asking for this. Linking to a new game, then claiming its PS3 only and its features couldn't be done on anything else. Esp. when the links and news about it have been out for a couple of days, and it was *announced* as a 360/PS3 title (the demo stuff was out months ago). Just be more careful next time ;) I think this will come out on all platforms - except Wii (DS & PS2 & PSP may be a different game or less physics). I say except Wii, as I think they are working on a special Star Wars game for the Wii.

Ahh. See I thought that was me at the end of the list. I guess it was just a different point (although even in that case, I have no idea what the hell all that CPU stuff your talking about means.) But yes, the game looks fun.