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outlawauron on 24 August 2008

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jman8 on 24 August 2008
deathgod33 said:
microsoft lost more on its console than sony did. but they got the money back with software sales. its quite common to lose money on consoles, people are acting as if ps3 is the first to do so.

Sony made up the losses on the PS2 with software sales, but MS has yet to recoup the $6 billion it has lost over the last 8 years.

 



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ssj12 on 24 August 2008
jman8 said:

 

Where in the article does it say that the game division is doing better than most others? It doesn't. The game division is doing terribly. They only posted a $51 million profit last quarter and that was with the release of MGS4, GTA, and GT5:P. It was the other parts of Sony that pulled in the other $275million. This quarter they'll probably lose money in the gaming division w/out any major software releases except Madden and maybe Star Wars. However, last quarter's results are promising in the sense that the games division is on the right track. Without a doubt, the holiday season will see a huge profit. And it does appear that the division is on track for meeting Kaz Hirai's goal of making the PS3 profitable by March '09. Once the PS3 reaches that point, the games division will start bringing in serious money and will help prop up Sony as a whole.

People have been predicting doom and gloom for Sony for ages. In the PS1 and PS2 era, Sony survived largely b/c of the game division. During the launch of the PS3 when the division was bleeding rivers of money, Sony was still very profitable b/c of its TV division. Pretty soon the game division will start taking up the slack again. Sony's diverse products means it's going to be around for a long time coming.

What? no major releases this quarter but those two? With R&C on the PSN? The quarter ends at the end of September.

Releases:

PSN:

Ratchet and Clank: Quest for Booty

Movie Rental service

Warhawk: Fallen Star

 

Retail:

Silent Hill: Homecoming

 



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Passenger57 on 25 August 2008
jman8 said:
deathgod33 said:
microsoft lost more on its console than sony did. but they got the money back with software sales. its quite common to lose money on consoles, people are acting as if ps3 is the first to do so.

Sony made up the losses on the PS2 with software sales, but MS has yet to recoup the $6 billion it has lost over the last 8 years.

 

 

Nothing personal, but how do you figure, can you post a link or any kind of evidence of this?




 

jman8 on 25 August 2008
ssj12 said:
jman8 said:

 

Where in the article does it say that the game division is doing better than most others? It doesn't. The game division is doing terribly. They only posted a $51 million profit last quarter and that was with the release of MGS4, GTA, and GT5:P. It was the other parts of Sony that pulled in the other $275million. This quarter they'll probably lose money in the gaming division w/out any major software releases except Madden and maybe Star Wars. However, last quarter's results are promising in the sense that the games division is on the right track. Without a doubt, the holiday season will see a huge profit. And it does appear that the division is on track for meeting Kaz Hirai's goal of making the PS3 profitable by March '09. Once the PS3 reaches that point, the games division will start bringing in serious money and will help prop up Sony as a whole.

People have been predicting doom and gloom for Sony for ages. In the PS1 and PS2 era, Sony survived largely b/c of the game division. During the launch of the PS3 when the division was bleeding rivers of money, Sony was still very profitable b/c of its TV division. Pretty soon the game division will start taking up the slack again. Sony's diverse products means it's going to be around for a long time coming.

What? no major releases this quarter but those two? With R&C on the PSN? The quarter ends at the end of September.

Releases:

PSN:

Ratchet and Clank: Quest for Booty

Movie Rental service

Warhawk: Fallen Star

 

Retail:

Silent Hill: Homecoming

 

That's a joke right? No way any of those games you mentioned will sell anything close to MGS4, GT5:P, or MGS4. Those 3 single games sold 8 million+  last quarter. That's $500 million worth of software at retail. 

 



My Top 5:

Shadow of the Colossus, Metal Gear Solid 3, Shenmue, Skies of Arcadia, Chrono Trigger

My 2 nex-gen systems: PS3 and Wii

Prediction Aug '08: We see the PSP2 released fall '09. Graphically, it's basically the same as the current system. UMD drive ditched and replaced by 4-8gb on board flash memory. Other upgrades: 2nd analog nub, touchscreen, blutooth, motion sensor. Design: Flip-style or slider. Size: Think Iphone. Cost: $199. Will be profitable on day 1.

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jman8 on 25 August 2008
Passenger57 said:
jman8 said:
deathgod33 said:
microsoft lost more on its console than sony did. but they got the money back with software sales. its quite common to lose money on consoles, people are acting as if ps3 is the first to do so.

Sony made up the losses on the PS2 with software sales, but MS has yet to recoup the $6 billion it has lost over the last 8 years.

 

 

Nothing personal, but how do you figure, can you post a link or any kind of evidence of this?

It's very common knowledge that Sony made money on the PS2 business and MS lost $4 billion on the Xbox business and another $2 billion so far on the 360 business. There's links and discussion on this in this very thread. 

 



My Top 5:

Shadow of the Colossus, Metal Gear Solid 3, Shenmue, Skies of Arcadia, Chrono Trigger

My 2 nex-gen systems: PS3 and Wii

Prediction Aug '08: We see the PSP2 released fall '09. Graphically, it's basically the same as the current system. UMD drive ditched and replaced by 4-8gb on board flash memory. Other upgrades: 2nd analog nub, touchscreen, blutooth, motion sensor. Design: Flip-style or slider. Size: Think Iphone. Cost: $199. Will be profitable on day 1.

outlawauron on 25 August 2008
jman8 said:
ssj12 said:
jman8 said:
 

 

Where in the article does it say that the game division is doing better than most others? It doesn't. The game division is doing terribly. They only posted a $51 million profit last quarter and that was with the release of MGS4, GTA, and GT5:P. It was the other parts of Sony that pulled in the other $275million. This quarter they'll probably lose money in the gaming division w/out any major software releases except Madden and maybe Star Wars. However, last quarter's results are promising in the sense that the games division is on the right track. Without a doubt, the holiday season will see a huge profit. And it does appear that the division is on track for meeting Kaz Hirai's goal of making the PS3 profitable by March '09. Once the PS3 reaches that point, the games division will start bringing in serious money and will help prop up Sony as a whole.

People have been predicting doom and gloom for Sony for ages. In the PS1 and PS2 era, Sony survived largely b/c of the game division. During the launch of the PS3 when the division was bleeding rivers of money, Sony was still very profitable b/c of its TV division. Pretty soon the game division will start taking up the slack again. Sony's diverse products means it's going to be around for a long time coming.

What? no major releases this quarter but those two? With R&C on the PSN? The quarter ends at the end of September.

Releases:

PSN:

Ratchet and Clank: Quest for Booty

Movie Rental service

Warhawk: Fallen Star

 

Retail:

Silent Hill: Homecoming

 

That's a joke right? No way any of those games you mentioned will sell anything close to MGS4, GT5:P, or MGS4. Those 3 single games sold 8 million+  last quarter. That's $500 million worth of software at retail. 

 

The only thing about that is the fact that those PSN stuff is pure profit. I think they will post a small loss/profit for Q2 of their fiscal.

 



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ZenfoldorVGI on 25 August 2008

Hmm, I think Sony will continue to lose money on the PS3 console, but they are doing so with the bonanza in mind of being the market leader for all blu-ray related products.

I think they have a long term strategy, to take hits now, in order to build userbase and brand name for their future Blu-Ray business.



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KZ2 on 25 August 2008

Ps3 will be profitable and recover all initial losses made on Ps3 during 2010.

Perry will be proven wrong again like all these analysts.



reptile168 on 25 August 2008

it doesn't matter that ps3 doesn't make money because bluray is making money for Sony just by collecting royalties. They decided that home video format is more important than the gaming format and lost against the Wii because they didn't focus on videogame first and foremost. You win some, you lose some. Can't win it all and I'm glad Sony is getting its ass kicked by Nintendo.