life begins when you are born. A fetus doesnt know anything.

Abortion FTW!

It's people like you who make the pro-choice camp look bad.

Aborting foetuses is always a hard decision and in an ideal world would never happen because undoubtedly there is a point at which a foetus can feel pain and is aware before birth, so abortion can amount to killing a human being if done at the wrong time for the wrong reasons. It is unfortunate that medical circumstances, and (early on) social issues, make it in some cases the right thing to have an abortion.

We need to treat abortion as seriously as we can, and make sure our decisions are the right ones with the aid of medical experts, science, and parental input.

I believe as a man that men should have no say whatsoever regarding this subject, no man will ever have to deal with abortions. Women have no say regarding what men do to their own bodies why should men have the right to say anything at all? I say let the people this issue affects (women) sort it out.

As a guy i have enuff gender specific crap of my own to worry about

 People like me? You dont even know me. Dont act all high and mighty chuck

Life begins well before conception.... do you not think the Sperm cells and egg cells are living?

To be pro-life you should also think it a sin to masturbate.... after all,
Every sperm is sacred, every sperm is good.
If a sperm is wasted, God gets quite irate.


I don't think there is any simple solution to the abortion issue.... how do pro-life people know that the foetus will turn out to have a happy, worthwhile life, how do pro-choice people know it won't?.... Soleron is the voice of reason in this thread.

About abortion, i personally think i'm against it, but then people should be given choice because it is a matter of their conscience.

About abortion laws, i don't like the idea when only woman is deciding about it, i know it's her body, but in the situation when baby is wanted by a male and not by a women why only her say is taken into the account, when the new life was created by both of them, and legally they both are responsible for it in the future. Thats what i really dislike about abortion.

@Colonel Stubbs - sorry, but i hope you don't think that you should be allowed to abort let say 6 months pregnancy just because the baby is not actually born?

I meant people with that specific position (that people can do whatever they want pre-birth with regards to abortion). Of course I don't know your life, but that argument only gives ammunition to the "pro-life" camp because it can be generalised to "all pro-choice people are insensitive and amoral, and want to kill innocent babies" to shock the undecided people and make them go on one side before they have heard all of the reasoned arguments.

The defintion of life as simply as I understand is not being dead (yes I know that sounds stupid) but people that argue self-awareness or thinking ability makes an organism any less of a life are being extremley ignorant.

A embryo is no different for a 15 year old boy in the way that they are both living things , contained in that embryo is the potential for a 15 year old boy or girl so wether or not they can think or not they are still living which is the distinction many people fail to make.

So, all organisms are equal ("no less of a life")? Bacteria have just as much a right to life as a human being? You kill thousands of bacteria every day because they aren't self-aware. By your own definition, that makes you just as bad as a mass human murderer.

How is a single-cell-stage human embryo different from a single bacterium cell? You're being speciesist and biased towards humanity if you think there's a difference.

There has to be a distinction, and the point where it is unacceptable to abort should be decided on a case-by-case basis considering the opinion of scientists, medical experts and the parents.

I never said all organmisms are equal I believe that human beings are in a sense superior beings but we should have a respect for other living creatures.

I said that a lack of thinking ability doesn't make you less of a living being but I wasn't making a generalisation I was refering directly to single stage cell humans , a singe-cell-stage human being and a single bacterium can't be judged on the same basis as they are far from the same thing , a single cell stage human being has the potential to become a fully developed human being , why would killing a single cell stage human being not be the same as killing a fully developed one , given the time and care it's innevitable that the prior will become the latter.