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Sqrl said:

If we "don't get it" maybe he should explain "it" to us.

Of course I think most people "get it" and by that I mean they "get" that when someone tells you that you just don't "get it" they are just being an elitist snob too wrapped up in their own view of themselves to admit "it"s not as good as they've convinced themselves "it" is.

Hopefully he gets over "it" and tries again, from what I've seen of Too Human its not a complete miss, "it"s just got poor execution in some key areas. Perhaps a little more listening to his play-testers instead of telling them they don't "get it" and "it" could have been good...who knows?

There are games that get better scores on graphics alone.  This game looks pretty good, it has to be pretty flawed or misunderstood.

To me there are plenty of games on Metacritic who have been rated higher and lower, which didn't deserve those scores.

I am eager to play this for several different reasons.  Reviews numbers mean very little to me.

 

Reviewers love to play the same shit over and over, check off features on a list.  They like to compare the responsiveness of hitting button "a" and when they can't compare apples to apples they get upset.

 



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.

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I agree with this guy.

 



As in go buy us some coffee.

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I am unsure as to what exactly is wrong with the logic or the comment. There are a great many games that I do not get as it were. I am also often told on these forums that I just do not get it. Well to each his own, but it is a pretty obvious assumption that Too Human is fairly oblique to common perceptions. Especially reading this thread where posters try to attach a label and none of which are being terribly accurate. So if you have no understanding of exactly how to define this game how can you say he is wrong in his assessment.

Not getting it isn't necessarily bad. There are a lot of games I do not apparently get, or so I have been told by other posters. I have no clue why anyone would find a music game to be utterly compelling. To me that is a recipe for looking lame, and carpal tunnel repetition. Yet a great many people around here think this it is the ultimate shit of all shit. I also do not get the appeal of Animal Crossing at this point, or why anyone is remotely excited by Little Big Planet. I mean someone would actually have to pay me a lot of money to even play these games. Yet for some they are the height of awesome.

I would also say it is pretty juvenile to attack him on one hand, and then say he should make a game for your console of choice on the other. Which is it the guy is lame, or is he a god to you. This is like a demented Freudian slip. Are you displeased with his latest game, or the fact he is not making a game for your console? I would say if it is the latter you need to grow up.



I agree with his assertion that many, many closed minded people will never understand why people consider some games good, like No More Heroes, FFVIII/XII, or the SJRPG genre in general. It really pisses me off when people try to implicate me in some sinister plot, just because I claim I love FFXII.

However, I highly doubt that "Too Human" fits that bill. As a point of fact, it looks very similar to Diablo 2, which is a tough opponent to face, in any genre.



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

Dodece said:
I am unsure as to what exactly is wrong with the logic or the comment. There are a great many games that I do not get as it were. I am also often told on these forums that I just do not get it. Well to each his own, but it is a pretty obvious assumption that Too Human is fairly oblique to common perceptions. Especially reading this thread where posters try to attach a label and none of which are being terribly accurate. So if you have no understanding of exactly how to define this game how can you say he is wrong in his assessment.

Not getting it isn't necessarily bad. There are a lot of games I do not apparently get, or so I have been told by other posters. I have no clue why anyone would find a music game to be utterly compelling. To me that is a recipe for looking lame, and carpal tunnel repetition. Yet a great many people around here think this it is the ultimate shit of all shit. I also do not get the appeal of Animal Crossing at this point, or why anyone is remotely excited by Little Big Planet. I mean someone would actually have to pay me a lot of money to even play these games. Yet for some they are the height of awesome.

I would also say it is pretty juvenile to attack him on one hand, and then say he should make a game for your console of choice on the other. Which is it the guy is lame, or is he a god to you. This is like a demented Freudian slip. Are you displeased with his latest game, or the fact he is not making a game for your console? I would say if it is the latter you need to grow up.

I'm still dizzy from all the spin in this post.

 



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Dodece said:
I am unsure as to what exactly is wrong with the logic or the comment. There are a great many games that I do not get as it were. I am also often told on these forums that I just do not get it. Well to each his own, but it is a pretty obvious assumption that Too Human is fairly oblique to common perceptions. Especially reading this thread where posters try to attach a label and none of which are being terribly accurate. So if you have no understanding of exactly how to define this game how can you say he is wrong in his assessment.

Not getting it isn't necessarily bad. There are a lot of games I do not apparently get, or so I have been told by other posters. I have no clue why anyone would find a music game to be utterly compelling. To me that is a recipe for looking lame, and carpal tunnel repetition. Yet a great many people around here think this it is the ultimate shit of all shit. I also do not get the appeal of Animal Crossing at this point, or why anyone is remotely excited by Little Big Planet. I mean someone would actually have to pay me a lot of money to even play these games. Yet for some they are the height of awesome.

I would also say it is pretty juvenile to attack him on one hand, and then say he should make a game for your console of choice on the other. Which is it the guy is lame, or is he a god to you. This is like a demented Freudian slip. Are you displeased with his latest game, or the fact he is not making a game for your console? I would say if it is the latter you need to grow up.

Off topic here, but I'd like to point out some problems with your post here:

A. Lacks tact. It's too harsh. You'll get flames.

B. The LBP comment will draw all attention away from your point.

C. I think that people still respect SK, even though they believe this is probably their worst game, and of course everyone wants ED2.

On topic:

Otherwise, your actual point is dead on. I call people out for judging a book by its cover, all the time. I try not to do so myself, but I find myself failing vastly in that regaurd. It is simply human nature.

That is why I find it is always prudent to give high profile games two chances to impress you. Some games that are my favorites of all time, I hated on my first attempt and gave up in disgust, flaming them on message forums before I went back and found absolute excellence.

Games like Final Fantasy Tactics, FFVIII and XII, Killer 7, Gears of War, No More Heroes, the GTA series, Ocarina of Time, and Metal Gear Solid. Were I a lesser man, you would likely find me on some terrible fanboy internet forum flaming some of the best games ever released, simply because I had a bad or unlucky first experience, and in essence judged a game by playing the first 30 minutes of it, and found that I just didn't get "it."

Lucky for us all, persistance pays off.

 

I think the OP has it cold. Dydak's point is dead on, but his assertion that this explains Too Human's poor reviews, is imo, damage control.



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

Dodece said:
I am unsure as to what exactly is wrong with the logic or the comment. There are a great many games that I do not get as it were. I am also often told on these forums that I just do not get it. Well to each his own, but it is a pretty obvious assumption that Too Human is fairly oblique to common perceptions. Especially reading this thread where posters try to attach a label and none of which are being terribly accurate. So if you have no understanding of exactly how to define this game how can you say he is wrong in his assessment.

Not getting it isn't necessarily bad. There are a lot of games I do not apparently get, or so I have been told by other posters. I have no clue why anyone would find a music game to be utterly compelling. To me that is a recipe for looking lame, and carpal tunnel repetition. Yet a great many people around here think this it is the ultimate shit of all shit. I also do not get the appeal of Animal Crossing at this point, or why anyone is remotely excited by Little Big Planet. I mean someone would actually have to pay me a lot of money to even play these games. Yet for some they are the height of awesome.

I would also say it is pretty juvenile to attack him on one hand, and then say he should make a game for your console of choice on the other. Which is it the guy is lame, or is he a god to you. This is like a demented Freudian slip. Are you displeased with his latest game, or the fact he is not making a game for your console? I would say if it is the latter you need to grow up.

I'd respond to this myself, but it's said in better detail here. In short:

"The problem is that THE DEVELOPER DOES NOT DEFINE THE QUALITY OF THE GAME. Customers define the quality. When the game fails, the developer asks customers to look at the game through HIS eyes. Can’t you see the problem here? What the developer should have done was look at the game through the customer’s eyes."

Looking at the way he talks, he appears to be calling the ones who dislike the game idiots, because they can't understand that Too Human is truly this innovative, wonderful piece of art if they'd only see it from his eyes... Nah, I'm sorry, it just doesn't work that way.  If the hardcore (critics) & general public do not like this game, it's much more likely the game is simply not as good as he thinks it is.
(note: I don't worship Malstrom, but simply agree with him here)



Yesterday on IGN's Release Dates list for the Wii, I noticed the very last item as "Psychological Thriller Project from Silicon Knights [untitled]." Slated for 2010.

Not that I want to be responsible for any rumormongering or anything, but...

ETERNAL DARKNESS 2 CONFIRMED!!!

Ha ha.



Dodece said:
I am unsure as to what exactly is wrong with the logic or the comment. There are a great many games that I do not get as it were. I am also often told on these forums that I just do not get it. Well to each his own, but it is a pretty obvious assumption that Too Human is fairly oblique to common perceptions. Especially reading this thread where posters try to attach a label and none of which are being terribly accurate. So if you have no understanding of exactly how to define this game how can you say he is wrong in his assessment.

Not getting it isn't necessarily bad. There are a lot of games I do not apparently get, or so I have been told by other posters. I have no clue why anyone would find a music game to be utterly compelling. To me that is a recipe for looking lame, and carpal tunnel repetition. Yet a great many people around here think this it is the ultimate shit of all shit. I also do not get the appeal of Animal Crossing at this point, or why anyone is remotely excited by Little Big Planet. I mean someone would actually have to pay me a lot of money to even play these games. Yet for some they are the height of awesome.

I would also say it is pretty juvenile to attack him on one hand, and then say he should make a game for your console of choice on the other. Which is it the guy is lame, or is he a god to you. This is like a demented Freudian slip. Are you displeased with his latest game, or the fact he is not making a game for your console? I would say if it is the latter you need to grow up.

NO, I made my point pretty clear. Dyack claims that the low scores for Too Human are a result of innovation hate. The problem he runs into is the fact that everything in the game he claims is "innovative" is not. The hate comes from the fact that after 10 years this game is mediocre.

The mistake you made is called a blind logical leap of faith. Since I dislike Too Human you feel that it's safe to assume I dislike everything Silicon Knights has made. Well, you're wrong. Eternal Darkness was actually a game that was awesome and innovative. I personally feel that it was a better horror game than RE4. I would love to see an Eternal Darkness sequel on any console (I have all 3), but since it's also owned by Nintendo it will be on Wii.

 



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Resident_Hazard said:
Yesterday on IGN's Release Dates list for the Wii, I noticed the very last item as "Psychological Thriller Project from Silicon Knights [untitled]." Slated for 2010.

Not that I want to be responsible for any rumormongering or anything, but...

ETERNAL DARKNESS 2 CONFIRMED!!!

Ha ha.

 

 Actually, this may upset you. Apparently Dyack has put Too Human sequels on hold to make a new type of game the company has never done before and it will be a psycho-thriller. So SK's next psycho-thriller will not be Eternal Darkness2 . :(

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/08/19/silicon-knights-next-game-not-two-human-but-trilogy-will-con/



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