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    I'm going to just break this down into the big three since it seems to make the most sense.

 

   First off it obviously wouldn't do Sony any good since the PS3 includes just about everything that will be current for at least the next 5 years.  It already has a processor more then fast enough to keep up with the quality gamers expect in graphics, it also has a structure which lets clever developers more then compensate for a smaller GPU by distributing tasks.  If Metal Gear Solid 4 is possible there really isn't a huge change needed in any way until there is some huge change in presentation technology from the current standard of 42-50 inch HDTVs. 

Until resolution goes up past 1080p or TVs start getting routinely larget then 60 inches the PS3 is pretty much right at the spot games need to be.  Also it has the likely standard in digital media for the next 5 years already built in, advanced HDMI features, an infintately expandable hard drive (just plug in any 3rd party one, takes 2 minutes) and every other feature needed for the next half decade of gaming.  Until 2012 or 2013 it makes 0 sense to upgrade to something else (by then hard drives will probably be large and cheap enough to fully switch to digital distribution for games).

 

Second for Nintendo a 2010 switch doesn't make much sense.  Nintendo is selling mainly to people who want Nintendo games no matter what and slow adopter households that aren't really that into fast upgrades to HD.  Those houses will probably eventually get a 1080p TV, but not until they cost under 1000 dollars and their current TV breaks.  If anything going expensive would ruin a lot of Nintendos whole profit center model.  If they turned the Wii into a 360 hardware wise they would make 100 dollars less a console, have marginal benefits since the bad graphics on the Wii clearly aren't hurting sales and really wouldn't do much to extend their appeal.  When Nintendo had the gamecube which had graphics on par with the PS2 their system sold worse then teh Wii is now so clearly trying to compete with Sony on graphics has no point for Nintendo. 

They would be fine just making the Wii until at least 2011 or 2012 when they could cheaply make something resembling the PS3 with, again, a digital distribution model due to cheap hard drive space.  They would probably position themselves in the same place relative to the PS4 as the Wii is relative to the PS3 on both price and power since it seems to be a good fit for Nintendo (I can't see Nintendo investing 1 billion dollars to design a custom made processor like the cell any time soon, hence why they're better off with cheap off the shelf parts.  Switching to a Wii 2 would just dilute the installed base, reduce profit per unit sold and would not really do much to help them in any way.  The only thing that would make any sense is maybe a new version of the existing Wii that has an HDMI port or hard drive in line with they way the redesigned the NES after the SNES release.  Same price, slightly better features, plays the same games as the older Wiis.

 

 For Microsoft it makes the least sense to release a console in 2010 of all the big three.  There is no chance they could make something that is much better then the PS3 by 2010.  The best they could hope for is a situation like the PS2 vs the original Xbox where the Xbox was better in a lot of ways, but none of them were REALLY that perceptable.  It was like the LE vs teh SE version of a sedan, sure the SE has 10 more horse power and better cup holders but do you REALLY notice that much of a difference?  Probably not 99% of the time.  The Xbox didn't sell because it was only a marginal gain on what everyone already had (a PS2).  The 360 sold because it was significantly better then the PS2 with higher resolution graphics, more expansive game worlds and other changes.  It does work getting to the party first with a new console, but only if your console is WAY better then whats already there. 

   I bet most of you either have a 3000 dollar quality PC or know someone who does.  Start up a game like Crysis and look at the graphics, pretty sweet yes.  Now find a PS3 and look at one of the better looking PS3 games like Metal Gear Solid 4.  There IS a difference but its in the little things like better dynamic shadows or slightly better specular lighting.  A slight difference in shadow shading isn't going to make people think "man f this PS3 or 360 I already have, I need a slight gain in anti aliasing!" and just like the PS2 vs the Xbox the new 2010 Xbox would flop and flop hard.  I'm saying look at a 3000 dollar PC because I'm assuming, given the relentless march of technology, that in 2010 the components for a 700-800 dollar production price console will probably be pretty similar to top of the line PC parts today. 

    They could include things like blu ray and better GPUs and all the rest, but that would just make it similar to the PS3 and not vastly better which it would need to be to really start a new generation.  The 360 would trade in its only advantage, which is a higher north American install base.  Very quickly the games would dry up and the xbox system would go back to being the complete afterthought it was in its first generation.  Maybe with another infusion of 6 billion dollars Microsoft could keep things affloat, but a fast start to the next generation with tech very similar to this generation would not shift the balance of power at all in Microsofts favor.

 

  I really hope that I'm right and things don't move to the next generation until 2012, I really see no reason to buy a new system and hope that we aren't forced to by an accelerating console release schedule.  Maybe someone will invent real VR (as opposed to that crappy gameboy VR from the 90s) and change the game necesitating a new console generation start early, but I doubt it.




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ps4 in 2013? wii2 in 2013? xbox 720 in 2011, 2012.



 

 

 

 

deathgod33 said:
ps4 in 2013? wii2 in 2013? xbox 720 in 2011, 2012.

 

   That break down wouldn't surprise me.  I would bet on Nintendo being first out of the gate though if I was a betting man.  They have an easy upgrade road (since even currently existing tech is a huge improvement on what they're using now) while MS and Sony both would need to shell out big bucks per console to improve their respective boxes.  I bet they could make a Wii2 in 2011 with graphics that equal the PS3 for a 250 dollar price point and still make money per console sold.  For Sony or Microsoft to greatly surpass their current consoles they'd be paying 800 per console, selling it for 500 dollars and taking huge losses once again.

 

  Nintendo 2011/2012, Sony in 2012/2013, Microsoft hopefully dropping out, but if not, 2012/2013 as well.




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Did you just say that the Wii sells to people who aren't making the jump to hd? nintendo gamers only? (one who didn't start owning a console or any Ninty games until the Wii)

Okay, there is no need to respond to this then. And I won't. Sorry but a LOT of your points are flawed on Nintendo's part, but whatever. believe what you want.



And, did you just say "Microsoft hopefully dropping out."? Wow. just saddening.



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Do you have to trash something whenever you post. Wait I never defend PC regardless, carry on.



 

Str8knox said:
Did you just say that the Wii sells to people who aren't making the jump to hd? nintendo gamers only? (one who didn't start owning a console or any Ninty games until the Wii)

Okay, there is no need to respond to this then. And I won't. Sorry but a LOT of your points are flawed on Nintendo's part, but whatever. believe what you want.

 

   Nintendo is not trading on graphics this generation, they're just not.  It's not a dis on Nintendo, they freely say that they are not going for the "Number One Super HD HUB prize" that Sony and Microsoft are chasing.  They sell to people who are not as concerned about how a game looks as they are other things.  Noone is picking up Mario Kart Wii for its cutting edge photo realistic graphics.

   Some people like the best graphics possible, some people like Nintendo type games with that distinctive look and gameplay.  It's like picking between Star Wars and Star Trek, people usually just like one or the other for more or less inexplicable reasons.

 

   Either way the point is that chasing the high priced console top of the line graphics prize has no point for Nintendo, they do better with a low starting cost and older graphics (ala Wii) then they do with current gen graphics and a higher price (ala gamecube).




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Wow, someone has bought into the hype of the PS3 pretty hard ...

Realistically, a $300 console in 2010 should be able to run a game that has more polygonal detail, higher texture detail, and better shader effects than Crysis on ultra high detail while outputting at 1080p @60fps; at a resolution of 720p @30fps it will be able to do things noticeably better than anything the PS3 can do.

 

The fact that PS3 fans can't seem to get is semiconductor technology didn't stop advancing when Sony released the PS3.



HappySqurriel said:

Wow, someone has bought into the hype of the PS3 pretty hard ...

Realistically, a $300 console in 2010 should be able to run a game that has more polygonal detail, higher texture detail, and better shader effects than Crysis on ultra high detail while outputting at 1080p @60fps; at a resolution of 720p @30fps it will be able to do things noticeably better than anything the PS3 can do.

 

The fact that PS3 fans can't seem to get is semiconductor technology didn't stop advancing when Sony released the PS3.

 

   The point is not that it can't be better, it CAN be better, the question is to what degree would it be better.

   Mild differences don't change the game, its been that way for a long time.  Genesis did what Nintendo Don't remember?  It was 16 bit, it had better graphics and it still couldn't pass the NES because it wasn't better enough.  Ditto for the Dreamcast, it was better then the PSX but not enough better that it could take things over and end the previous generation.  The original xbox had a hard drive, more shaders and all that vs the PS2 but it was a marginal difference and so it didn't sell.

    Any box you could make by 2010 would probably be better then the PS3 (ok almost certainly) but would NOT be significantly better.  It would be like the PS2 vs the Xbox or at most the dreamcast vs the PSX.  It would NOT be the 360 vs the PS2 and would not be a game changer to start a new generation in a meaningful way.

 

    Most people don't pay out the nose for minor diffrences, it has to have a WOW effect, like WOW this is way better I must have it (like the PS2 elicited when playing PSX games of the 360 and PS3 elicited when comparing those games to the PS2).




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Impulsivity said:

 

   The point is not that it can't be better, it CAN be better, the question is to what degree would it be better.

   Mild differences don't change the game, its been that way for a long time.  Genesis did what Nintendo Don't remember?  It was 16 bit, it had better graphics and it still couldn't pass the NES because it wasn't better enough.  Ditto for the Dreamcast, it was better then the PSX but not enough better that it could take things over and end the previous generation.  The original xbox had a hard drive, more shaders and all that vs the PS2 but it was a marginal difference and so it didn't sell.

    Any box you could make by 2010 would probably be better then the PS3 (ok almost certainly) but would NOT be significantly better.  It would be like the PS2 vs the Xbox or at most the dreamcast vs the PSX.  It would NOT be the 360 vs the PS2 and would not be a game changer to start a new generation in a meaningful way.

 

    Most people don't pay out the nose for minor diffrences, it has to have a WOW effect, like WOW this is way better I must have it (like the PS2 elicited when playing PSX games of the 360 and PS3 elicited when comparing those games to the PS2).

 

So a system with noticeably improved one to one Wiimote controlls, that has a graphical jump over the PS3/XBox 360 similar in proportion to the jump from the Wii to the PS3/XBox 360 wouldn't offer any additional value?