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jman8 on 19 August 2008
Gamerace said:
I think Sony has successful tampered 360's dominance of FPS/TPS.

Unfortunately I think Microsoft has effectively tampered Playstations dominance of all other core genres (RPG, Sports, Racing, Music) and Nintendo all but stolen the rest.

So while it might have been effective, the overall strategy is questionable.

 

RPGs I agree with. But Sports? Both systems get the EA and 2K sports games, but Sony still has the most successful baseball game out there in MLB the Show. Racing? Come on, Forza's 1 million non-bundled sales don't even compare well to GT5: PROLOGUE let alone the main line games. Music? Both systems are getting Guitar Hero and Rock Band, but Sony has Singstar which is hugely successful in Europe, while MS has an unproven knock off in Lips. 

And what the heck does Nintendo have in terms of software that's all of a sudden stealing away Sony fans. Wii Sports? Nintendo's not tampering with genres as much as they are inventing new ones. 



My Top 5:

Shadow of the Colossus, Metal Gear Solid 3, Shenmue, Skies of Arcadia, Chrono Trigger

My 2 nex-gen systems: PS3 and Wii

Prediction Aug '08: We see the PSP2 released fall '09. Graphically, it's basically the same as the current system. UMD drive ditched and replaced by 4-8gb on board flash memory. Other upgrades: 2nd analog nub, touchscreen, blutooth, motion sensor. Design: Flip-style or slider. Size: Think Iphone. Cost: $199. Will be profitable on day 1.

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Loud_Hot_White_Box on 19 August 2008
De85 said:
I just find it slightly ironic that last year the 306 was belittled for having nothing but shooters, but that now, with sole exception of LBP, the games you hear PS3 fans hyping up are all shooters. Resistance 2, Killzone 2, SOCOM: Confrontation, MAG, etc... My how the tables have turned.

I was just going to say: WHAT Sony shooter gambit?  There are only like 3 big shooters coming, and only one is a new IP.  MAG was just announced and it's definitely different enough to be interesting. 

Sole exception of LBP?  Do FFXIII, WKC, GT5, GoWIII, Team ICO project ring any bells?  (you didn't say exclusive)  The list would be longer including Twisted Metal PS3, Jak & Daxter PS3, etc, but those are more "almost guaranteed to be good games" than "hyped."

 



slimeattack on 19 August 2008

I think it will be a success provided that the games are good.



Blue Strife on 19 August 2008

Well ,I think Sony has focused in FPS because the only market they have disadvantage with the 360 is US and FPS are the favourite genre of US hardcore gamers.

When Socom ,Resistence 2 ,MAG and Killzone 2 are out I think Sony will have kind of matched MS position as undoubted leader in the genre.

Now ,about RPGs the situation is much worse but I think in the next 6 months we will at least see 4-5 very good ones on the PS3 with Disgaea 3,Valkyrie of Battlefield,The Last Remnant(later that on 360 but still coming),White Knight Story,Eternal Sonata....some japanese ones,and magnificent WRPG as Fallout 3,Jason and the Argonauts and Sacred 2 among others.



Blue Strife on 19 August 2008
Menago KF said:
You know, the thing is that rpgs sell, because you don't expect almost any of them to have ultra brilliant gfx, rather a good combat system and a fairly interesting storyline.

FPS's are quite a different story, anything less than better from the last best game in terms of graphics is rather not that kindly awaited or talked about. You can be sure that a very typical fps with a boring storyline, a very normal and old dated gameply style but with the latest cutting edge graphics will probably sell more than your average innovative fps with so-so gfx. Just the way of the genre i suppose.

 

 Well ,RPGs as Blue Dragon ,Lost Oddysey and Eternal Sonata havent had exactly good sales.The best selling one ,Lost Oddysey ,is way behind most FPS in the 360 and PS3.



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DMeisterJ on 19 August 2008
Soriku said:
DMeisterJ said:
Yeah, the shooter gambit is successful, as in America, shooters sell awesome, and that's where PS3 needs the most work.

The PS3 needs more work in Japan...

*sigh*

Soriku.  Sometimes you are a very confusing character.

There isn't much to be done in Japan, they've picked their consoles already, and it's gonna stay the same.  DS - PSP - Wii - PS3 - 360.

Not too much is gonna change that with Wii's commanding lead over the PS3 and the PS3s lead over the 360.  Not too much to do there except wait it out and release a slimline model to get some PSP like success later on in life.

Europe has decided too, in the Wii's favor, PS3 second and 360 third.  As we can see with the weekly sales.

America is different though.  Wii just passed 360 and PS3 keeps on making up ground agains the 360 every month, so this is the most important part.  Japan and EU are on auto-pilot while Sony focuses it's efforts on the North American gaming audience.  It's the only territory where Sony will be in last place at the end of the year (Others will be PS3 > 360 by years end) and obviously needs work.  Which is where the shooters come in.



De85 on 19 August 2008
jman8 said:
De85 said:
jman8 said:
De85 said:
I just find it slightly ironic that last year the 306 was belittled for having nothing but shooters, but that now, with sole exception of LBP, the games you hear PS3 fans hyping up are all shooters. Resistance 2, Killzone 2, SOCOM: Confrontation, MAG, etc... My how the tables have turned.

Those are the games you're choosing to hype. Sony fans have actually been hyping LittleBigPlanet, Infamous, Valkyria Chronicles, God of War, Gran Turismo, MotorStorm: Pacific Rift, Final Fantasy XIII, and Final Fantasy Versus XIII as well.

Edit: I didn't even mention the hugely hyped PSN titles like Flower, Pixeljunk Eden, and Fat Princess.

 

First off, I mentioned LBP as the exception, but in my own, anecdotal experience all the rest of those games you mentioned take a backseat whenever people talk about Sony's upcoming games. I know those other games exist, but they aren't talked about nearly as much.

 

Well, anecdotally, there's an active Motorstorm discussion going on right now on these very forums. It's also rare that we don't have a thread showing new screen shots of FFXIII or FFvXIII nearly weekly. There's also an "Official" Valkyria Chronicles hype thread that has over 200 posts. There's a Kratos vs Link discussion going on right now. Oh and I forgot to mention Heavy Rain, which has been on every PS fanboy hype list to ever reach the interwebs, and whatever Team Ico is working on.

And just b/c you mentioned LBP, doesn't mean its impact is minimized even though that was your goal. Without LBP, all Sony would have is a highly derivative line-up this fall with Resistance, Motorstorm, and Socom. It's like launch all over again. But you rarely see people complain about that and it's not b/c this site is PS biased. It's b/c LBP is such an innovative title that is taking videogames to such new territory that you would look silly to call out Sony for not being original. This "sole" game is what is differentiating the system from all the others. This "sole" game is what is feeding the perception that Sony is ahead of the curve, while MS is just trying to match the Playstations' previous catalogues.

 

@bolded: That's what I was saying in my first post. 

As for the perception that Sony is ahead of the curve, that's only in the mind of PS3 fans.  Industry wide, and especially among consumers it's quite apparent that Nintendo is the one considered to be ahead of the curve.



Shadowblind on 19 August 2008

I'm a huge shooter fan, but not too interested in resistence, and will NEVER care for another Killzone(Ask why if you want.). It hasn't really interested me though, I think MS RPG strat and Sony Shooter strat are a bit incomparible.

I think its because the 360 has already established itself as this gens shooter console by miles, but no one has yet to establish themselves as the home console RPG kings.



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Beja-Beja on 19 August 2008

Ive never played shotters till i got my sp3 and i love them Resistance and COD4 are my fave games. That being said the 360 clearly sell more when it comes to FPSes but Sony has cut into them a bit.

As far as Rpgs go MS has only a stall they can only buy so many games until publishers ackknowledge the ps3 can sell them better.



jman8 on 19 August 2008
De85 said:
jman8 said:
De85 said:
jman8 said:
De85 said:
I just find it slightly ironic that last year the 306 was belittled for having nothing but shooters, but that now, with sole exception of LBP, the games you hear PS3 fans hyping up are all shooters. Resistance 2, Killzone 2, SOCOM: Confrontation, MAG, etc... My how the tables have turned.

Those are the games you're choosing to hype. Sony fans have actually been hyping LittleBigPlanet, Infamous, Valkyria Chronicles, God of War, Gran Turismo, MotorStorm: Pacific Rift, Final Fantasy XIII, and Final Fantasy Versus XIII as well.

Edit: I didn't even mention the hugely hyped PSN titles like Flower, Pixeljunk Eden, and Fat Princess.

 

First off, I mentioned LBP as the exception, but in my own, anecdotal experience all the rest of those games you mentioned take a backseat whenever people talk about Sony's upcoming games. I know those other games exist, but they aren't talked about nearly as much.

 

Well, anecdotally, there's an active Motorstorm discussion going on right now on these very forums. It's also rare that we don't have a thread showing new screen shots of FFXIII or FFvXIII nearly weekly. There's also an "Official" Valkyria Chronicles hype thread that has over 200 posts. There's a Kratos vs Link discussion going on right now. Oh and I forgot to mention Heavy Rain, which has been on every PS fanboy hype list to ever reach the interwebs, and whatever Team Ico is working on.

And just b/c you mentioned LBP, doesn't mean its impact is minimized even though that was your goal. Without LBP, all Sony would have is a highly derivative line-up this fall with Resistance, Motorstorm, and Socom. It's like launch all over again. But you rarely see people complain about that and it's not b/c this site is PS biased. It's b/c LBP is such an innovative title that is taking videogames to such new territory that you would look silly to call out Sony for not being original. This "sole" game is what is differentiating the system from all the others. This "sole" game is what is feeding the perception that Sony is ahead of the curve, while MS is just trying to match the Playstations' previous catalogues.

 

@bolded: That's what I was saying in my first post. 

As for the perception that Sony is ahead of the curve, that's only in the mind of PS3 fans.  Industry wide, and especially among consumers it's quite apparent that Nintendo is the one considered to be ahead of the curve.

 

Except that in your first post, you're trying to make it seem that LBP doesn't matter when in fact it is probably the most important game Sony has coming out and therefore prevents the system from being called a shooter system. 

This whole topic was about Sony's gamble to fight off Microsoft. It has next to nothing to do with Nintendo. If you really want to throw Nintendo in the mix, then LBP is the game that is meant to capture some of the mainstream audience that Nintendo has reached. And it's not just fanboys who think this. Go look at what industry folk like journalists and analysts like Michael Pachter are saying b/c they too believe this game has the potential for not only mainstream success, but also to change the way the industry operates in much the same fashion Nintendo changed the game back in '06 by releasing the Wii. 

 



My Top 5:

Shadow of the Colossus, Metal Gear Solid 3, Shenmue, Skies of Arcadia, Chrono Trigger

My 2 nex-gen systems: PS3 and Wii

Prediction Aug '08: We see the PSP2 released fall '09. Graphically, it's basically the same as the current system. UMD drive ditched and replaced by 4-8gb on board flash memory. Other upgrades: 2nd analog nub, touchscreen, blutooth, motion sensor. Design: Flip-style or slider. Size: Think Iphone. Cost: $199. Will be profitable on day 1.