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xman on 19 August 2008
Jordahn said:
swyggi said:
Microsoft was the first to bring online to consoles


Didn't the dreamcast have online?

 

 I remember the Atari Jaguar having the ability to play online with Doom via an optional modem.

 

Its not who does it first, its the person who makes it succesful commercialy.  Pong was the first video game system Atati made it a commercial sucess



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Jordahn on 19 August 2008
JaggedSac said:
Jordahn said:
Every console has their share of successes and failures, but I think the context here is that Microsoft failed to be the clear dominant console for this gen. Even Microsoft once voiced that they reflected on the success of the PS2 before the launch of the 360. So to say that Microsoft tried to mimic the PS2 while also trying to eliminate the PS3 in which they failed is very accurate. If anyone looks at Microsoft's past pro-monopoly business model, a similar attempt in the console market can be seen. I'm not bashing the console or its offerings because the console is worthy of a purchase. I'm just poining out that it's very obvious that Nintendo is in the lead, and Microsoft has NOT maintained its 10 million one year lead from the PS3. Remember Microsoft claimed that because the PS2 was first to market (which was a lie because the Dreamcast was first, and Microsoft knew it), the PS2 was the dominant console of last gen. Nintendo proved Microsoft wrong by being not being the dominant console this gen so far while the PS3 has been a constant and growing thorn in the 360's side. The 360 has had it successes, and I think it is a successful console overall. But the picture here is that it failed to claim this gen as the dominant console in which Microsoft claimed by being first to market and attempting to eliminate its competition.

 

I thought it was only 5.5 million ahead of the PS3 when the PS3 launched.

I'm sure I recalled that Microsoft announce a 10 million worldwide lead for this gen when both the Wii and PS3 were first released in late 2006.



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Jordahn on 19 August 2008
xman said:
Jordahn said:
swyggi said:
Microsoft was the first to bring online to consoles


Didn't the dreamcast have online?

 

 I remember the Atari Jaguar having the ability to play online with Doom via an optional modem.

 

Its not who does it first, its the person who makes it succesful commercialy.  Pong was the first video game system Atati made it a commercial sucess

 

Really???  Is that what we were talking about???  And how was PONG NOT commercially successful???



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Shadowblind on 19 August 2008
Jordahn said:
JaggedSac said:
Jordahn said:
Every console has their share of successes and failures, but I think the context here is that Microsoft failed to be the clear dominant console for this gen. Even Microsoft once voiced that they reflected on the success of the PS2 before the launch of the 360. So to say that Microsoft tried to mimic the PS2 while also trying to eliminate the PS3 in which they failed is very accurate. If anyone looks at Microsoft's past pro-monopoly business model, a similar attempt in the console market can be seen. I'm not bashing the console or its offerings because the console is worthy of a purchase. I'm just poining out that it's very obvious that Nintendo is in the lead, and Microsoft has NOT maintained its 10 million one year lead from the PS3. Remember Microsoft claimed that because the PS2 was first to market (which was a lie because the Dreamcast was first, and Microsoft knew it), the PS2 was the dominant console of last gen. Nintendo proved Microsoft wrong by being not being the dominant console this gen so far while the PS3 has been a constant and growing thorn in the 360's side. The 360 has had it successes, and I think it is a successful console overall. But the picture here is that it failed to claim this gen as the dominant console in which Microsoft claimed by being first to market and attempting to eliminate its competition.

 

I thought it was only 5.5 million ahead of the PS3 when the PS3 launched.

I'm sure I recalled that Microsoft announce a 10 million worldwide lead for this gen when both the Wii and PS3 were first released in late 2006.

 

 Nope. They had 5-6 mill more. Where did you hear 10 mil?



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Jordahn on 19 August 2008
Shadowblind said:
Jordahn said:
JaggedSac said:
Jordahn said:
Every console has their share of successes and failures, but I think the context here is that Microsoft failed to be the clear dominant console for this gen. Even Microsoft once voiced that they reflected on the success of the PS2 before the launch of the 360. So to say that Microsoft tried to mimic the PS2 while also trying to eliminate the PS3 in which they failed is very accurate. If anyone looks at Microsoft's past pro-monopoly business model, a similar attempt in the console market can be seen. I'm not bashing the console or its offerings because the console is worthy of a purchase. I'm just poining out that it's very obvious that Nintendo is in the lead, and Microsoft has NOT maintained its 10 million one year lead from the PS3. Remember Microsoft claimed that because the PS2 was first to market (which was a lie because the Dreamcast was first, and Microsoft knew it), the PS2 was the dominant console of last gen. Nintendo proved Microsoft wrong by being not being the dominant console this gen so far while the PS3 has been a constant and growing thorn in the 360's side. The 360 has had it successes, and I think it is a successful console overall. But the picture here is that it failed to claim this gen as the dominant console in which Microsoft claimed by being first to market and attempting to eliminate its competition.

 

I thought it was only 5.5 million ahead of the PS3 when the PS3 launched.

I'm sure I recalled that Microsoft announce a 10 million worldwide lead for this gen when both the Wii and PS3 were first released in late 2006.

 

 Nope. They had 5-6 mill more. Where did you hear 10 mil?

 

 http://www.xbox365.com/news.cgi?id=GGNNiGLriP08160154



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Shadowblind on 19 August 2008
Jordahn said:
Shadowblind said:
Jordahn said:
JaggedSac said:
Jordahn said:
Every console has their share of successes and failures, but I think the context here is that Microsoft failed to be the clear dominant console for this gen. Even Microsoft once voiced that they reflected on the success of the PS2 before the launch of the 360. So to say that Microsoft tried to mimic the PS2 while also trying to eliminate the PS3 in which they failed is very accurate. If anyone looks at Microsoft's past pro-monopoly business model, a similar attempt in the console market can be seen. I'm not bashing the console or its offerings because the console is worthy of a purchase. I'm just poining out that it's very obvious that Nintendo is in the lead, and Microsoft has NOT maintained its 10 million one year lead from the PS3. Remember Microsoft claimed that because the PS2 was first to market (which was a lie because the Dreamcast was first, and Microsoft knew it), the PS2 was the dominant console of last gen. Nintendo proved Microsoft wrong by being not being the dominant console this gen so far while the PS3 has been a constant and growing thorn in the 360's side. The 360 has had it successes, and I think it is a successful console overall. But the picture here is that it failed to claim this gen as the dominant console in which Microsoft claimed by being first to market and attempting to eliminate its competition.

 

I thought it was only 5.5 million ahead of the PS3 when the PS3 launched.

I'm sure I recalled that Microsoft announce a 10 million worldwide lead for this gen when both the Wii and PS3 were first released in late 2006.

 

 Nope. They had 5-6 mill more. Where did you hear 10 mil?

 

 http://www.xbox365.com/news.cgi?id=GGNNiGLriP08160154

 

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jasonnc80 on 19 August 2008
Jordahn said:
Shadowblind said:
Jordahn said:
JaggedSac said:
Jordahn said:
Every console has their share of successes and failures, but I think the context here is that Microsoft failed to be the clear dominant console for this gen. Even Microsoft once voiced that they reflected on the success of the PS2 before the launch of the 360. So to say that Microsoft tried to mimic the PS2 while also trying to eliminate the PS3 in which they failed is very accurate. If anyone looks at Microsoft's past pro-monopoly business model, a similar attempt in the console market can be seen. I'm not bashing the console or its offerings because the console is worthy of a purchase. I'm just poining out that it's very obvious that Nintendo is in the lead, and Microsoft has NOT maintained its 10 million one year lead from the PS3. Remember Microsoft claimed that because the PS2 was first to market (which was a lie because the Dreamcast was first, and Microsoft knew it), the PS2 was the dominant console of last gen. Nintendo proved Microsoft wrong by being not being the dominant console this gen so far while the PS3 has been a constant and growing thorn in the 360's side. The 360 has had it successes, and I think it is a successful console overall. But the picture here is that it failed to claim this gen as the dominant console in which Microsoft claimed by being first to market and attempting to eliminate its competition.

 

I thought it was only 5.5 million ahead of the PS3 when the PS3 launched.

I'm sure I recalled that Microsoft announce a 10 million worldwide lead for this gen when both the Wii and PS3 were first released in late 2006.

 

 Nope. They had 5-6 mill more. Where did you hear 10 mil?

 

 http://www.xbox365.com/news.cgi?id=GGNNiGLriP08160154

That was around the time of MS's infamous channel stuffing at the holiday season.  There were many an argument on this very site around that time.  I was a lurker then but I remember a few MS fanboys (how few there were at the time) feeling the banhammer because of the arguments.

 



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Jordahn on 19 August 2008
jasonnc80 said:
Jordahn said:
Shadowblind said:
Jordahn said:
JaggedSac said:
Jordahn said:
Every console has their share of successes and failures, but I think the context here is that Microsoft failed to be the clear dominant console for this gen. Even Microsoft once voiced that they reflected on the success of the PS2 before the launch of the 360. So to say that Microsoft tried to mimic the PS2 while also trying to eliminate the PS3 in which they failed is very accurate. If anyone looks at Microsoft's past pro-monopoly business model, a similar attempt in the console market can be seen. I'm not bashing the console or its offerings because the console is worthy of a purchase. I'm just poining out that it's very obvious that Nintendo is in the lead, and Microsoft has NOT maintained its 10 million one year lead from the PS3. Remember Microsoft claimed that because the PS2 was first to market (which was a lie because the Dreamcast was first, and Microsoft knew it), the PS2 was the dominant console of last gen. Nintendo proved Microsoft wrong by being not being the dominant console this gen so far while the PS3 has been a constant and growing thorn in the 360's side. The 360 has had it successes, and I think it is a successful console overall. But the picture here is that it failed to claim this gen as the dominant console in which Microsoft claimed by being first to market and attempting to eliminate its competition.

 

I thought it was only 5.5 million ahead of the PS3 when the PS3 launched.

I'm sure I recalled that Microsoft announce a 10 million worldwide lead for this gen when both the Wii and PS3 were first released in late 2006.

 

 Nope. They had 5-6 mill more. Where did you hear 10 mil?

 

 http://www.xbox365.com/news.cgi?id=GGNNiGLriP08160154

That was around the time of MS's infamous channel stuffing at the holiday season.  There were many an argument on this very site around that time.  I was a lurker then but I remember a few MS fanboys (how few there were at the time) feeling the banhammer because of the arguments.

 

Yes and no, but I do remember what you are saying.  What I mean by that is that this is Microsoft's claim, just like the claim that SONY was first to market last gen.  So these are their tactics that they are using in an attempt to claim as the dominant console.



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Domicinator on 19 August 2008

There should probably be a thread called "How Sony's strategy is failing" as well. Especially after this story was released:

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/08/19/the-sony-reciprocal-ps3-losses-surpass-ps2-profits/

Microsoft, at least as of recently, is now profiting on every console they sell. Therefore, they will be able to reduce the price to $299 this fall for the main sku. Sony is still selling PS3s at less than cost. Yes, as the article states above, Microsoft has lost money too, but they are now in the process of making it back. Sony is not.

So WHOSE strategy is failing?




Jordahn on 19 August 2008
Domicinator said:
There should probably be a thread called "How Sony's strategy is failing" as well. Especially after this story was released:

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/08/19/the-sony-reciprocal-ps3-losses-surpass-ps2-profits/

Microsoft, at least as of recently, is now profiting on every console they sell. Therefore, they will be able to reduce the price to $299 this fall for the main sku. Sony is still selling PS3s at less than cost. Yes, as the article states above, Microsoft has lost money too, but they are now in the process of making it back. Sony is not.

So WHOSE strategy is failing?

 

 Ummm...  Both???  Feel better???



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