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@hunter

as an addition to my list you are ignoring above

Russian sink Georgian ships at port.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2008/08/2008813153517926662.html

Seriously, wtf. Why would ships at port need to be sunk. Russia has long past the defensive realm and is clearly in the complete take over realm.



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Kasz216 said:
hunter_alien said:
Tigawoods said:
hunter_alien said:
Wow... now those reports have aboslutly no western implications in them( lol ). Grow up, reports like those will never show you the real deal and most of them will allways be anti Russians like most english written "reports". If you trully bealive every single thing that you read on the internet than Im sorry for you...

Anyways it was nice chating with you :P But I have to go and see Rambo kicking some Russian but tonight lol

Yeah...because Communist countries have never controlled any media or news sources -_-

 

 

Umm... honey... Russia is a democratic country for more than one and a half decade now ;)

 

Kasz: Rambo 2/3... the "real" enemy was allways a soviet group lol... they are bloody, and the tipical 80s action-movies :P

 

And the main reason why I taught that Kosovo should stay with Serbia is the same one that I want Osetia ( and with Gods help Georgia :P... Im just messing around on this one ) to be connected to Russia: Europe is falling apart and all the US wants is this to happen as fast as possible. With this rate we will have in a couple of years at least half a dozen more countries and thats not a solution I would like...

Err... Russia ain't so democratic lately... with heavy corruption in the electoral system.

Which is the worst form of corruption in my opinion.

Check out the nuetral internation observers opinions on them lately.

Russia is a democracy in the same way Cuba is a democracy. (Hey Castro got 100% of the vote last election.)

My god... how many countryes dont have any corruptions in their votes? Common you obviously never been in Russia in your life so untill you wont go and see with your own eyes of course that you will rather bealive a Texan peasents report that Russia is a communist state. Did you even read any Russian magazines, because if you do then you would know that political parodies like those where deffinatly not allowed in the Soviet Union...

Your last post is entirely subjective and I bet that the only "reports" you could bring for it are made by a NATO state, and lets be honest I dont think that that is correct.

 



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Also, you do know that by Russia takign South Ossetia, georgia becomes smaller and weaker.

Also russia wants Georgia to let go of other territories who want independence to be their own state.

Instead of just georgia, you'll have Georgia and Abkhazia.



hunter_alien said:
Kasz216 said:
hunter_alien said:
Tigawoods said:
hunter_alien said:
Wow... now those reports have aboslutly no western implications in them( lol ). Grow up, reports like those will never show you the real deal and most of them will allways be anti Russians like most english written "reports". If you trully bealive every single thing that you read on the internet than Im sorry for you...

Anyways it was nice chating with you :P But I have to go and see Rambo kicking some Russian but tonight lol

Yeah...because Communist countries have never controlled any media or news sources -_-

 

 

Umm... honey... Russia is a democratic country for more than one and a half decade now ;)

 

Kasz: Rambo 2/3... the "real" enemy was allways a soviet group lol... they are bloody, and the tipical 80s action-movies :P

 

And the main reason why I taught that Kosovo should stay with Serbia is the same one that I want Osetia ( and with Gods help Georgia :P... Im just messing around on this one ) to be connected to Russia: Europe is falling apart and all the US wants is this to happen as fast as possible. With this rate we will have in a couple of years at least half a dozen more countries and thats not a solution I would like...

Err... Russia ain't so democratic lately... with heavy corruption in the electoral system.

Which is the worst form of corruption in my opinion.

Check out the nuetral internation observers opinions on them lately.

Russia is a democracy in the same way Cuba is a democracy. (Hey Castro got 100% of the vote last election.)

My god... how many countryes dont have any corruptions in their votes? Common you obviously never been in Russia in your life so untill you wont go and see with your own eyes of course that you will rather bealive a Texan peasents report that Russia is a communist state. Did you even read any Russian magazines, because if you do then you would know that political parodies like those where deffinatly not allowed in the Soviet Union...

Your last post is entirely subjective and I bet that the only "reports" you could bring for it are made by a NATO state, and lets be honest I dont think that that is correct.

 


They aren't Communist. They're currently under a state of despotism more then anything else.

You don't think it's correct because you buy into your own bias.

Plenty of countries have little to no corruption in their elections and voting.

If their is mass corruption in the voting process you don't have a democracy.

I'm not saying things are as bad as they were under the USSR but they are worse then they were before Putin got into power... worse then georgia for sure.

You can no longer call Russia a democracy when rightfully elected officials are barred from serving their terms.

 



superchunk said:
@hunter

as an addition to my list you are ignoring above

Russian sink Georgian ships at port.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2008/08/2008813153517926662.html

Seriously, wtf. Why would ships at port need to be sunk. Russia has long past the defensive realm and is clearly in the complete take over realm.

 

 Yes and no. Do you relaly bealive that Russia if wanted couldent take over Georgia in matter of days or maybe even hours? Common this is just a game and Im still not shore what is Russias real plans are but one thing is certain, they got the attention they wanted. Unfortunatly I dont think that Russia will take over Georgia because this could be as I mentioned juts a simple economical game...



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hunter_alien said:
superchunk said:
@hunter

as an addition to my list you are ignoring above

Russian sink Georgian ships at port.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2008/08/2008813153517926662.html

Seriously, wtf. Why would ships at port need to be sunk. Russia has long past the defensive realm and is clearly in the complete take over realm.

 

Yes and no. Do you relaly bealive that Russia if wanted couldent take over Georgia in matter of days or maybe even hours? Common this is just a game and Im still not shore what is Russias real plans are but one thing is certain, they got the attention they wanted. Unfortunatly I dont think that Russia will take over Georgia because this could be as I mentioned juts a simple economical game...

Yeah... a game where people are killed. Real nice "game".

What Russia wants is to split up georgia more.  They want ossetia then they
want georgia to be two countries so it gets smaller and weaker.

Basically they want what you don't.



Georgia really messed this thing up, they should have known this is going to happen. And crying for NATO support won't help either, in my humble opinion, Mr. Putin had the scenario well thought out. It was a demonstration for Georgia, the Ukraine and any other potential NATO candidate, that if things get hot, the US and the rest of the NATO won't be there to help them.

 

 Russia and Georgia both share a good amount of blame for the whole situation.



hunter_alien said:
superchunk said:
@hunter

as an addition to my list you are ignoring above

Russian sink Georgian ships at port.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2008/08/2008813153517926662.html

Seriously, wtf. Why would ships at port need to be sunk. Russia has long past the defensive realm and is clearly in the complete take over realm.

 

 Yes and no. Do you relaly bealive that Russia if wanted couldent take over Georgia in matter of days or maybe even hours? Common this is just a game and Im still not shore what is Russias real plans are but one thing is certain, they got the attention they wanted. Unfortunatly I dont think that Russia will take over Georgia because this could be as I mentioned juts a simple economical game...

ok, maybe they are not intending for a take over, but clearly their stated plans of saving "russians" was not their goal as they have gone way past all of their original stated goals.

Clearly they only wanted to destroy Georgia from the beginning and many signs point to this being plan way before the violence started last week.

 



superchunk said:
hunter_alien said:
superchunk said:
@hunter

as an addition to my list you are ignoring above

Russian sink Georgian ships at port.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2008/08/2008813153517926662.html

Seriously, wtf. Why would ships at port need to be sunk. Russia has long past the defensive realm and is clearly in the complete take over realm.

 

Yes and no. Do you relaly bealive that Russia if wanted couldent take over Georgia in matter of days or maybe even hours? Common this is just a game and Im still not shore what is Russias real plans are but one thing is certain, they got the attention they wanted. Unfortunatly I dont think that Russia will take over Georgia because this could be as I mentioned juts a simple economical game...

ok, maybe they are not intending for a take over, but clearly their stated plans of saving "russians" was not their goal as they have gone way past all of their original stated goals.

Clearly they only wanted to destroy Georgia from the beginning and many signs point to this being plan way before the violence started last week.

 

Yeah.  This has been in the works for at least 2 months.  Never thought it'd actually happen though.

 



Kasz216 said:
hunter_alien said:
Kasz216 said:
hunter_alien said:
Tigawoods said:
hunter_alien said:
Wow... now those reports have aboslutly no western implications in them( lol ). Grow up, reports like those will never show you the real deal and most of them will allways be anti Russians like most english written "reports". If you trully bealive every single thing that you read on the internet than Im sorry for you...

Anyways it was nice chating with you :P But I have to go and see Rambo kicking some Russian but tonight lol

Yeah...because Communist countries have never controlled any media or news sources -_-

 

 

Umm... honey... Russia is a democratic country for more than one and a half decade now ;)

 

Kasz: Rambo 2/3... the "real" enemy was allways a soviet group lol... they are bloody, and the tipical 80s action-movies :P

 

And the main reason why I taught that Kosovo should stay with Serbia is the same one that I want Osetia ( and with Gods help Georgia :P... Im just messing around on this one ) to be connected to Russia: Europe is falling apart and all the US wants is this to happen as fast as possible. With this rate we will have in a couple of years at least half a dozen more countries and thats not a solution I would like...

Err... Russia ain't so democratic lately... with heavy corruption in the electoral system.

Which is the worst form of corruption in my opinion.

Check out the nuetral internation observers opinions on them lately.

Russia is a democracy in the same way Cuba is a democracy. (Hey Castro got 100% of the vote last election.)

My god... how many countryes dont have any corruptions in their votes? Common you obviously never been in Russia in your life so untill you wont go and see with your own eyes of course that you will rather bealive a Texan peasents report that Russia is a communist state. Did you even read any Russian magazines, because if you do then you would know that political parodies like those where deffinatly not allowed in the Soviet Union...

Your last post is entirely subjective and I bet that the only "reports" you could bring for it are made by a NATO state, and lets be honest I dont think that that is correct.

 


They aren't Communist. They're currently under a state of despotism more then anything else.

You don't think it's correct because you buy into your own bias.

Plenty of countries have little to no corruption in their elections and voting.

If their is mass corruption in the voting process you don't have a democracy.

I'm not saying things are as bad as they were under the USSR but they are worse then they were before Putin got into power... worse then georgia for sure.

You can no longer call Russia a democracy when rightfully elected officials are barred from serving their terms.

 

Putin was Russias best leader since the fall of the USSR and the only one that dared making real moves. Again your mass-corruption in the Russian election is just another report that where made by the countryes enemies. Oh and also I cant bealive that you say that Russian elections where a fraud and Georgias where democratic because thats just so far from the truth.

Oh and for your knowledge Putin is loved in Russia. I have plenty of Russian friends, I visit that country oh so often, and I have to say not one ever complained about not liking Putin as a leader ( because lets be honest even now hes the real leader ). So I dont know why is it so hard to bealive that the majority of Russia might actually lik the ones whom are in the front of their state?

 

 



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