Agreed.  Why do we have to turn this into a "Russia has the most nukes and can ally with China and totally defeet the American bastards".  Please.  None of that is going to happen.  China and the US are so integrated economically, going to war would be in no one's best interest, let alone Russia vs the US.  Also China is am EMERGING superpower, not a full superpower yet, they are still a developing country and doing quite well to improve the living conditions of their people. 

I'm getting sick of anyone asserting one countries dominance over another.  We can argue for hours about who would win what war against another.  Plus the American Army has already admitted to making some mistakes in the Iraq war, but the main problem was the insurgency, not the actual invasion, which didn't last long.  My father was right f***in there during the 2003 invasion, he told me some interesting stories about it.  I don't want to hear shit dissing our troops and their efforts.

Who needs a larger stockpile of nukes when a handful can destroy an entire country.

The Vietnam war was essentially unwinnable.  North Vietnam was recieving the majority of its arms (particularly aircraft, like Migs) from China, and there were plenty of Chinese soldiers fighting under the North Vietnamese flag, often attacking US forces in South Vietnam through Laos and Cambodia.  Without taking on China themselves, the North Vietnamese could never have been fully defeated by the US.  Even if we had somehow managed to take control of the entire region, we would've ended up right on the Chinese border, causing the conflict to escalate much further.

No on see the correlation here? It's obvious that there's a war for every affairs exposed.
So, the lesson is that no affairs should be revealed and the world will be at peace.

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that they're an oil exporter? Just a wild guess ;)

But where did you read that?

EDIT - found it already. I wonder if it's true (it's all according to Georgia sources if I understand correctly):

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20080809.OSSETIA09/TPStory/TPInternational/Asia/

Oh shit. This conflict has just reached a new level.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7550804.stm

The Russians are attacking areas outside of South Ossetia, that is bad. Real bad. I don't support either side in this conflict - I believe the Georgian oppression of S.Ossetia is wrong and even more so that Russia invading Georgia is wrong.

(If this post seems strange it is because I have had two bottles of wine.)

Edit: And yeah, it seems that Russia has bombed some pipelines of oil from the Capsian. Attempt to hurt the Georgian economy?

I posted something earlier which was even worse than that - reports of a military base attacked near Tbilisi, and an attacked port in western Georgia (very far from Ossetia).

Now, regarding the pipelines... That's where it starts to get serious on a global level. That pipeline is the only one feeding Europe which doesn't pass through either Russia or Iran. Unfortunately the world is addicted to dirty oil, so that brings the conflict to a whole new level. If Russia did that, they're clearly provoking the EU and USA.

well if they mess with georgia to much then america will mess with russian then we are all fucked

Yeah, Georgia just declared a state of war. Doesn't look like there will be any quick resolution to this short of Russia flat out raping Georgia.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/09/georgia.ossetia/index.html

TBLISI, Georgia (CNN) -- Georgia declared a state of war Saturday as fierce battles with Russia military over the breakaway region of South Ossetia entered their second day.
A burning appartment building, damaged by a Russian airstrike is seen the northern Georgian town of Gori.

A burning appartment building, damaged by a Russian airstrike is seen the northern Georgian town of Gori.

Russia has launched a full-scale military invasion of Georgia, President Mikhail Saakashvili said during a brief news conference Saturday afternoon.

"We are dealing with absolutely criminal and crazy acts of irresponsible and reckless decision makers, which is on the ground producing dramatic and tragic consequences," Saakashvili said.

Saakashvili compared the Russian invasion, which he called unprovoked, to the 1979 Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

President George W. Bush called for an immediate halt to the fighting saying the United States is "deeply concerned."

"We have urged an immediate halt to the violence and a standown by all troops, and call for end to the Russian bombings and a return by the parties to the status quo of August the sixth," he said in a statement Saturday.

Russian paratroopers entered the capital of South Ossetia on Saturday as part of a military operation that Russia said was intended to force the Georgian side to cease fire.

Separatist-backed South Ossetian sources reported about 1,600 people have died and 90 have been wounded in the capital of Tskhinvali after two days of fighting, but Georgian officials said the figure was inflated. The Georgians said they didn't have their own death toll, but it would likely be closer to 100.

Inna Gagloyeva, the spokeswoman for the South Ossetian Information and Press Committee, told the Interfax news agency the capital was being "massively shelled" with artillery guns.

It was also unclear which side was in control of Tskhinvali on Saturday, with the Georgian side saying fighting still raged but the Russians saying they have "liberated" the city.

"Battalion task forces have fully liberated Tskhinvali of Georgian armed forces and started pushing Georgian units out of the area of responsibility of the peacekeeping forces," said General Vladimir Boldyrev, commander of the Russian Ground Forces, in an interview with Interfax.

Colonel-General Anatoly Nogovitsyn, a spokesman for the Russian Defense Ministry, told a news conference that the paratroopers will "implement the operation of enforcing peace" on both sides.

Nogovitsyn also confirmed that Georgians had shot down two Russian aircraft.

Russia said the troops were also reinforcing the Russian peacekeepers already in South Ossetia.

"Our peacekeepers, along with reinforcement units, are currently conducting an operation to force the Georgian side to accept peace," Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said at the Kremlin, according to the RIA-Novosti news agency. "They are also responsible for protecting the population."

Interfax said 15 peacekeepers were killed in the Friday attack by Georgian troops. Russia has opened a criminal probe into their deaths, Interfax reported.

Georgia, a former Soviet Republic, is a pro-Western ally of the United States intent on asserting its authority over South Ossetia and Abkhazia, which both have strong Russian-backed separatist movements.

Russia moved troops into South Ossetia early Friday after Georgia launched an operation in the breakaway region when its unilateral cease-fire was met with what it said was artillery fire from separatists that killed 10 people, including peacekeepers and civilians. Video Watch images of crashed Georgian war plane »

Russia charged that Georgia had targeted its peacekeepers stationed in the region. Video Watch Georgian minister describe fighting in South Ossetia »

Medvedev said Saturday that Georgia must be held responsible for the situation in South Ossetia.

"The people responsible for this humanitarian disaster need to be held liable for what they have done," Medvedev said. He said the humanitarian problems were caused by "the aggression launched by the Georgian side against the South Ossetian civilians and Russian peacekeepers."

Russian officials said more than 30,000 refugees have left South Ossetia and crossed into Russia over the past two days, since fighting began, Interfax reported.

A Red Cross official in the Georgian capital of Tbilisi was unable to provide refugee or casualty figures Saturday morning because she said aid workers were still gathering information and visiting hospitals in South Ossetia and western Georgia, where she said two towns suffered damage overnight.

Maia Kardava, a spokeswoman for the Red Cross delegation in Tbilisi, said Russian forces bombarded military and civilian targets the port town of Poti, on Georgia's Black Sea coast. Georgian officials said eight Georgians were killed in the port town.

In the town of Senaki, just inland from Poti, Russian forces damaged a railway line, a military base, and a center housing civilians who fled from nearby Abkhazia, another breakaway Georgian region.

The Georgian town of Gori, about 35 miles northwest of Tbilisi, came under attack from Russian aircraft, Georgian officials said.

Inside South Ossetia, civilians have been without water, electricity, and basic services for more than a day, Kardava said. She said the Red Cross was unable to reach colleagues based in Tskhinvali because their phones had lost power and they were huddled in bomb shelters.

Also Saturday, the commander of Georgian troops stationed in Iraq said the 2,000 soldiers currently there will be withdrawn from Iraq "very soon."

Colonel Bondo Maisuradze said the United States would provide the transport to get them out of Iraq. He said he had no timeframe for the move.

And this once again shows the ridiculous system that is the UN security council. Whenever a permanent member goes to war the council is powerless due to the veto and the only time it really gets dangerous is when a permanent member goes to war!

Or when China or Germany does but that's another matter.