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rocketpig said:
Astrodust said:
rocketpig said:
Astrodust said:

Transformers didn't suck. It was what it was suppose to be. A summer popcorn movie that entertained. Obviously when a movie has a hardcore fanbase you are going to have people that dislike it for not being like the cartoon or something but overall it made tons of money and we probably could not of done a better job. And you know the sequel will make even more money than the first one. It's tricky turning a cartoon about transforming robots into something the mainstream audience can accept and enjoy. Dispite popular oppinion we are not more talented than Michael Bay. At least not when it somes to making summer tentpole movies.

No, Transformers sucked. The only things tolerable in the movie were Shia LeBouf and Optimus Prime's voice. The dialogue was terrible, the action was mediocre (yay, close ups of giant machines fighting... Look, another silver blur!), and it was 100% Michael Bay crapfest.

I never said I could do a better job, I simply said the movie sucked. Just because it's a "popcorn movie" doesn't mean it should be allowed to get away with subpar performances and a dumb story. Movies like TDK and Iron Man prove that you can mix cheesy ideas and blockbuster action and still make a hugely entertaining movie that doesn't insult your intelligence.

I don't buy into the idea that movies are allowed to suck just because of their budget and target audience.

I doubt everyone shares your oppinion on this one judging by how many people saw the movie. Some movies are meant to make you think like say Control Room. Others are meant to shock like Hostel. And some are just meant to entertain and make buckets of money like Transformers. Guess which one the studios like the most. And I don't think subpar performances and dumb story are always the directors fault though some of the time they are. Let's put it this way. Are you really saying that you expected Tranformers to be this super intelligent oppinion piece with Oscar level acting? I bet you that millions of people will once again buy tickets to see Transformers 2 suck so bad again. I guess sucking might not be such a bad thing for the studios if people keep coming back.

 

I could have sworn I just mentioned Iron Man and that didn't have any deep intelligence behind it nor did it offer Oscar worthy acting, but everyone seemed to enjoy it none-the-less.

Again, I don't forgive shitty writing, mediocre acting, and a lame plot just because "other people went to go see it". Shit, I went to go see it, too. I contributed to that shitfest.

Just because something is entertaining doesn't mean it has to be lowbrow and poorly executed.

So you are saying that no one enjoyed Transformers? Just don't go see the sequel then if you really disliked the first one so much. It's really that simple. Stop thinking your oppinion applies to everyone.

 



 

 

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I'm not thinking my opinion applies to everyone... Just most people I know, almost every critic around, etc. etc. etc.

Hey, if you enjoyed the movie, more power to you.

Again, just because something is entertaining doesn't mean it has to be lowbrow and poorly executed. Some people will forgive that in a movie. I won't.




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Oh come on. Transformers didnt set out to be 'art'

It was intended to be a big wham bang summer event movie. Have you ever seen Jaws Rocketpig? Does that film have an amazing concept?

NO. Its a film about a bloody big shark eating people. Yes it has better dialogue, but Steven Spielberg didnt set out to amaze audiences with oscar winning acting or shakespeare like dialogue. He just wanted people to be excited.

Exactly the same thing Michael Bay was aiming for. He knows his limits. He knows he does action better than most people, and character work a lot worse, so he doesnt even really attempt to make a serious film.

Transformers made 700 million dollars at the cinema, and i can guarentee people read hyperbolic reviews from film critics who have the same opinion as you and thought 'im not going for oscar worthy acting, im going for big fucking robots smashing each other to shit'

And Iron Man? I loved Iron Man, but that had a dumb story. Oh yeah, a billionaire can invent a rocket suit and suddenly gets the balls and intelligence to whack a load of middle eastern terrorists. And the acting in Iron Man wasnt exactly top-notch- Terence Howard phoned in his performance and Jeff Bridges just went with 'I WILL TALK EEEEVIL!!!!'

Transformers did exactly what it said on the tin



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colonelstubbs said:
Oh come on. Transformers didnt set out to be 'art'

It was intended to be a big wham bang summer event movie. Have you ever seen Jaws Rocketpig? Does that film have an amazing concept?

NO. Its a film about a bloody big shark eating people. Yes it has better dialogue, but Steven Spielberg didnt set out to amaze audiences with oscar winning acting or shakespeare like dialogue. He just wanted people to be excited.

Exactly the same thing Michael Bay was aiming for. He knows his limits. He knows he does action better than most people, and character work a lot worse, so he doesnt even really attempt to make a serious film.

Transformers made 700 million dollars at the cinema, and i can guarentee people read hyperbolic reviews from film critics who have the same opinion as you and thought 'im not going for oscar worthy acting, im going for big fucking robots smashing each other to shit'

And Iron Man? I loved Iron Man, but that had a dumb story. Oh yeah, a billionaire can invent a rocket suit and suddenly gets the balls and intelligence to whack a load of middle eastern terrorists. And the acting in Iron Man wasnt exactly top-notch- Terence Howard phoned in his performance and Jeff Bridges just went with 'I WILL TALK EEEEVIL!!!!'

Transformers did exactly what it said on the tin

BS. Jaws had hilarious writing (I think we're going to need a bigger boat), memorable characters, a plot scary as all fuck, excellent pacing, brilliant music, and a giant fucking shark. Now that's a summer blockbuster movie.

Of course Iron Man had a stupid story, which is why I mentioned the whole "used cheesy ideas but made it work" comment. RDJ sold himself as Tony Stark, the writing was quick-witted and entertaining, Paltrow was entirely believable as the meek-yet-hot Pepper Potts, and the sexual tension between the two characters worked. All the while, the main character is flying around in a completely ridiculous metal suit fighting "bad people". It was everything a summer blockbuster is supposed to be, namely entertaining, not completely stupid, well-executed, and damned fun to watch. Kudos to Jon Favreau, a guy best known as "that fat dude from Swingers", for outdoing the supposedly fabulous Michael Bay on his own turf.




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So what we've learned today is that if you set out to make a bad movie and succeed at that task, you have succeeded overall.

It's because of these attitudes that most films are so terrible. These people are perfectly happy to eat shit as long as no one tells them it's ice cream.



it just hit the 400 million mark monday night

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b22196_dark_knight_speeds_400_million.html



Desroko said:
I endorse rocketpig's for the position of VGC film critic. "Summer blockbuster" doesn't need to be code for "shit," but it will every time Michael Bay's name is above the title.

seconded. It would be great to have a (well-deserved) rant against crappy movies every week....

 



Not trying to be a fanboy. Of course, it's hard when you own the best console eve... dang it

Hehehe, I helped start a big debate :)

I may have been a bit biased towards the movie as I would watch Transformers cartoons when younger. It also helps I'm neither a film buff or critic.



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