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sc94597 on 03 August 2008
talkingparrot said:
sc94597 said:
@Obliterator The Wii attracts non gamers casuals, and core, while the ps2 only attracts Casuals and core. As for sales, no matter what sony does it won't best the wii. The wii just has more mainstream appeal. It targets 3 separate demographics, probably even more, while the ps3 only targets 1

 

Look at Wii third party game sales numbers.  I don't compare how many numbers the Wii puts up in terms of consoles sold.  Look at the VG Chartz sales rank of No More Heroes and Boom Blox.  The Wii targets casual gamers.  Guitar Hero / Smash Brothers / Wii Sports.  Pick up and play games.  Games with actual depth sell fairly poor on the console.  Your pulling facts out your ass.

Why would you use new ips to determine sales of an existing ip? I already mentioned in my other post replying to you about Boom Blox and No More Heroes. As for third party sales. Please tell me some BIG existing Ips on the wii that sold poorly. Oh and btw smash bros casual? Oh and by the way I coudl do the same with the PS3  OMGZ Battlefield:Bad COmpany sold 300k. Ps3 doesn't sell core third party games.

My other post if you missed it.

@Talkingparrot No More Heroes is the best selling Grasshopper game, and sold more than a multiplat on the ps2, and gamecube by many times. Boom Blox was advertised to the wrong audience and has excellent legs btw. How about you look at existing ips like Resident Evil to compare with an existing IP. ANd that is a game that targets one demograph while KH targets many.



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konnichiwa on 03 August 2008

Konnichiwa's random post of the day (part 57):

Kingdom hearts the musical!!

 

 

Disney wants money, they can make that on the Wii and can get money from MS and Sony....So it is all 50/50 and who knows it maybe will not release this gen and then everyone will get PWNED!!






Kasz216 on 03 August 2008
Obliterator1700 said:
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^Many of them still have ps2 and are'nt at 7th generation yet...

True, though of those who have moved up, i'd say more have Wiis.

As for the rest, they're mainstream and late adopters... they tend to follow the same trends as the early adopters, it just takes them longer to adopt for various reasons.

Consumer Psychology wise it shouldn't change much and the numbers should just grow more in Wii's favor.

 
I would'nt excatly say that as I'm sure a large chunk of Wii owners are new to the gaming environment.

 

 

Wii has more then doubled PS2 currently. Even with a humongus chunk it should be the case... or close to it... and going to be the case.

 
It will eventually stop because unlike sonys ps2 it doesn't attract all audiences. Such as anolder audience. Sonys ps2 also attracted the movie audience by having a Dvd installed in it. Wii misses somethingswhich the ps2 had. 30million is very far from 140million, and its till to early to say the Wii will win the consolewar forget beating the ps2.

 

 


The Wii attracts older audiences fine. It actually attracts a wider audience then the PS2 has. Note how it sells vs the PS2.

The PS3 is the one with the limited audience it would seem. So to try and use that as an arguement FOR the PS3 is silly.

I mean... either you are saying that the "adult" audience is pretty limited considering the Wii is selling better then the PS2 without it. Making videogames mostly a kids and old persons toy, and that the PS3 and 360 won't be doing well soon, or that it's a large part in the market... which would defeat your arguement since otherwise wii couldn't sell that well.

Could the Wii end up falling short of the PS2? Yeah sure. Any arguement for that currently would not be supported by any reasonable factors though and be a "I hope" situation.

"It actually attracts a wider audience then the PS2 has." What audience has it attracted that the ps2 didn't?

The ps3 keeeps on improving. Its hard to believe it has such a large amount of sales do to the price and lack of games. Can you imagine the sells when the price drops to 300 or below? Dont tell me the price doesn't matter. Last I recallps3 sales went up by 170% in Novemeber(Price drop) . Total sales of 496,000. It shows that money does indeed play a factor in this.

"Ps3 won't be doing well soon." How can this be true? Their about to release an 80gb for $400. That would probably mean more sales. God of war 3 is coming... Wouldn't that tranlate into sales? You saw what MGS4... Ps3 has the best line up for the year so far and everyone knows it.We have'nt heard any news about kh3 whats so ever. Which gives the ps3 more time to grow a bigger audience.

I'm sure that as soon as the ps3 gets another price drop it will be selling just as well as the Wii if not better.

 

That's not my logic.  That's your logic at work Obliterator by saying the Wii doesn't attract adults.

Your saying that the Wii attracts the same audiences the PS2 does AND it doesn't attract adults... yet it's selling better by leaps and bounds then PS2 at this time?

So it's either scenario A or B.

 



talkingparrot on 03 August 2008
sc94597 said:
@Talkingparrot No More Heroes is the best selling Grasshopper game, and sold more than a multiplat on the ps2, and gamecube by many times. Boom Blox was advertised to the wrong audience and has excellent legs btw. How about you look at existing ips like Resident Evil to compare with an existing IP. ANd that is a game that targets one demograph while KH targets many.

 

No More Heroes sold less than 400,000 units.  Don't even begin arguing about Boom Blox being targeted to the wrong audience.  The only games that will break 1 million on the Wii are casual games like Guitar Hero, or pick up and play Nintendo titles, like Super Smash Brothers.

 

Releasing a game like Kindom Hearts exclusively on the Wii would ensure average sales. It would be far more smarter to go Wii / PS2 than Wii alone.  Or PS3 / 360 than 360 alone.

 



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Kasz216 on 03 August 2008
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Now that Kingdom Hearts III wasn't announced for a Sony Console at Square-Enix's expose all the Sony supporters are defaulting on the argument, "This won't be announced for along time, so stop talking about it!" when just a few days ago they were all excited to see it announced for the PS3 or PSP.

@regin2005

you have no clue what you're talking about.

 

Yeah he really doesn't have a clue

 

Umm...ouch!

I was just saying the if the announcement was indeed KH3, is would be released for a console in SE's best interest. That's all.

Actually, Disney has more say in where it goes.

 

 

Since Disney have much much better relations with Sony and Nomura will develop it. So KH3 is 100% confirmed PS3 exclusive.

 

Confirmed!

But have you even played a KH? From your (false) info that your spewing I doubt it...

Ugh...so many things wrong with this post, but then again looking at your post history then you shouldn't be taken seriously.

Also...WHY THE F*** would Disney completely ignore their KH target audience which is a big part of the audience on the Wii and who are not on the PS3?

 

What audience is this ? The audience that left the PS2(the home of KH1&2) and all bought Wii's ?

You don't think more people who owned PS2s own Wiis then PS3? I think so. Most people don't give a damn about brandnames *SNIP*.

You have no quanitifable information about the relation between PS2 to Wii adapotion or of PS2 to PS3 adoption so asking my opinion about things you have no information to disprove me with is illogical.My business teacher at college would probbaly drop kick me if i said anything like your last sentence , i won't even try to argue against that last sentence but i'll give you a name "Coca-Cola", research.

Throw in the kid demographic that doesn't care that it's a sequel and just wants to see Disney characters... and there you go. (People say it's not marketed to kids, i say people didn't pay attention to the advertising when the game came out. It was like a nonstop kidshow/disney channel marketing blitz to the point of where i have that stupid techno song stuck in my head from the first one.)

Kingdom Hearts has a mixed demographic it's an Action RPG game which features Final Fantasy characters , so your argument about it only apealing only to little kids is flawed . KH is likely to be a huge seller on the PS3 , bundled would PS3's(blu-ray players ) it would be a killer combo.

 

 

 

 

you do not have any prove it wil do good on the Ps3 so telling him something about things you have no information to disprove him with is illogical.

 

 

I like what you've done there but you've distinguished the two arguments incorrectly , I don't need to have any factual information or outside sources for my argument to be feasible , however a claim such as "more PS2 owners now have Wii's than PS2 owners that have PS3'3" does require quantifiable evidence to support it.

How do you need to outside arguement or sources for it to be feasable? The PS3 has sold less then half what the Wii has... 15 million.

 

 

Lets ignore install base and ask Boom Blox, and No More Heroes how third party AAA titles sell on the Wii. Like I said, by the time this title comes out, PS3 will be 199 or cheaper, redesigned and slimmer, and appeal to a casual audience. People can speculate and bitch and moan all they want.

The reality is this:

Final Fantasy XIII USA - 2010

Final Fantasy Versus XIII USA - 2011/2012

Kingdom Hearts 3 USA - 2011/2012

This is 2 + years off. By that time, all the consoles will be more than affordable, and this rabid fanboyism this site draws will pretty much be meaningless.

Your calling No More Heroes a AAA game? It cost less to make then most PS2 games... and outsold Killer 7 by leaps and bounds.

Also, Bloombox AAA? Really?  EA seems to think it's sold well.

How about comparing actual AAA games. For example ones that are multiplatform.

Like Guitar Hero.



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sc94597 on 03 August 2008
talkingparrot said:
sc94597 said:
@Talkingparrot No More Heroes is the best selling Grasshopper game, and sold more than a multiplat on the ps2, and gamecube by many times. Boom Blox was advertised to the wrong audience and has excellent legs btw. How about you look at existing ips like Resident Evil to compare with an existing IP. ANd that is a game that targets one demograph while KH targets many.

 

No More Heroes sold less than 400,000 units.  Don't even begin arguing about Boom Blox being targeted to the wrong audience.  The only games that will break 1 million on the Wii are casual games like Guitar Hero, or pick up and play Nintendo titles, like Super Smash Brothers.

 

Releasing a game like Kindom Hearts exclusively on the Wii would ensure average sales. It would be far more smarter to go Wii / PS2 than Wii alone.  Or PS3 / 360 than 360 alone.

 

What about RE4, Twilight Princess, Metroid PRime 3, Super Mario Galaxy? Also games don't have to sell well on the wii to make better profits that most ps3 games. Ps3 games cost about 2-6 times that of wii games.

 



talkingparrot on 03 August 2008
sc94597 said:
talkingparrot said:
sc94597 said:
@Obliterator The Wii attracts non gamers casuals, and core, while the ps2 only attracts Casuals and core. As for sales, no matter what sony does it won't best the wii. The wii just has more mainstream appeal. It targets 3 separate demographics, probably even more, while the ps3 only targets 1

 

Look at Wii third party game sales numbers.  I don't compare how many numbers the Wii puts up in terms of consoles sold.  Look at the VG Chartz sales rank of No More Heroes and Boom Blox.  The Wii targets casual gamers.  Guitar Hero / Smash Brothers / Wii Sports.  Pick up and play games.  Games with actual depth sell fairly poor on the console.  Your pulling facts out your ass.

Why would you use new ips to determine sales of an existing ip? I already mentioned in my other post replying to you about Boom Blox and No More Heroes. As for third party sales. Please tell me some BIG existing Ips on the wii that sold poorly. Oh and btw smash bros casual? Oh and by the way I coudl do the same with the PS3  OMGZ Battlefield:Bad COmpany sold 300k. Ps3 doesn't sell core third party games.

My other post if you missed it.

@Talkingparrot No More Heroes is the best selling Grasshopper game, and sold more than a multiplat on the ps2, and gamecube by many times. Boom Blox was advertised to the wrong audience and has excellent legs btw. How about you look at existing ips like Resident Evil to compare with an existing IP. ANd that is a game that targets one demograph while KH targets many.

The irony is, Battlefield Bad Company is about to break the 1 million barrier, and it will break the 1 million barrier at the end of this months.  That is the grace of multiplatform.   As for big existing 3rd party IPs that have sold poorly, I'll ask you to look at - Call of duty, Far Cry, or any of the other PS3 / 360 titles that are ported down.

 



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talkingparrot on 03 August 2008
sc94597 said:
talkingparrot said:
sc94597 said:
@Talkingparrot No More Heroes is the best selling Grasshopper game, and sold more than a multiplat on the ps2, and gamecube by many times. Boom Blox was advertised to the wrong audience and has excellent legs btw. How about you look at existing ips like Resident Evil to compare with an existing IP. ANd that is a game that targets one demograph while KH targets many.

 

No More Heroes sold less than 400,000 units.  Don't even begin arguing about Boom Blox being targeted to the wrong audience.  The only games that will break 1 million on the Wii are casual games like Guitar Hero, or pick up and play Nintendo titles, like Super Smash Brothers.

 

Releasing a game like Kindom Hearts exclusively on the Wii would ensure average sales. It would be far more smarter to go Wii / PS2 than Wii alone.  Or PS3 / 360 than 360 alone.

 

What about RE4, Twilight Princess, Metroid PRime 3, Super Mario Galaxy? Also games don't have to sell well on the wii to make better profits that most ps3 games. Ps3 games cost about 2-6 times that of wii games.

 

 

RE4 - 30 dollar title.

Twilight, Metroid, Mario - All Nintendo.

Developer's are making a habit of making Next Gen titles and porting down to Wii.  Thats a reality you'll have to live with.  Wii sales alone haven't sustained high dev costs.



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Obliterator1700 on 03 August 2008
sc94597 said:
@Obliterator The Wii attracts non gamers casuals, and core, while the ps2 only attracts Casuals and core. As for sales, no matter what sony does it won't best the wii. The wii just has more mainstream appeal. It targets 3 separate demographics, probably even more, while the ps3 only targets 1
Can you give me proof it wont?

 

 



talkingparrot on 03 August 2008
Soriku said:
talkingparrot said:
mike_intellivision said:
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mike_intellivision said:
Just curious -- what is left in the Disney university for KH3?

Maybe its time for it to move on to another universe of characters?

Mike from Morgantown

Well, considering Disney owns it, I am not sure that'll ever happen.

 

Then put it down for whatever console that Disney has emphasized this generation.

And I believe that has been the Wii.

 

Plus, without BC, the old "this has been on Sony" arguement no longer holds water. And if FF can move, again, then so can KH.

 

Mike from Morgantown

 

 

 

When did Disney embrace the Wii exactly?  Please do tell.  I can tell you that Sony, MGM, and Disney all sit on the bluray board together.  I can tell you Sony and Disney have very strong partnerships.  I can tell you Sony owns 10% of Squaresoft.  Does that mean Kingdom Hearts will definetively be on PS3? No. 

 

Just like your arguement has facts you just pulled out your ass.

 

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6161206.html

Also, they've said before that they've made most of their game profits on the Wii and DS. They haven't mentioned the HD consoles like that before once.

As for the Sony x Disney movie business...what people need to understand is that movies aren't games. Also, making a game go to a Nintendo console wouldn't hurt their relationship. Also, it's not like that many people have upgraded to Blu Ray nor is HD "dominating" the market right now so the Blu Ray crap doesn't make any difference. And the 10% (really 8.56% IIRC) doesn't mean squat.

When you start using opinion such as "Bluray doesn't make any difference," - that shows fanboyism.  Refrain from that.  Thanks.

Your a fanboy that is touting opinion as fact.  Kingdom Hearts 3, will either be PS2 / Wii or PS3/ 360.  There is no way its staying console exclusive.  If it goes  exclusive, it will go PS3.   If it goes PS3 excluisive, it won't offend anyone largely.  Besides, like the timetable I posted earlier, by the time it hits store shelevs, it will be 2012 at LEAST.



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