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I love how people are in this thread questioning John Carmack like they know more about this shit than he does. This man is a legend, in the same boat as Miyamoto. He knows more about this industry, hardware, software, whatever than any of us ever will. He's developing two games for the iPhone. If he says it's almost there with the PS2, i'll believe the man, since he happens to know the damn hardware and we don't. I can't wait to see what Id software is cooking up for for it.



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BottledSpringWater said:
FJ-Warez said:
Incandescence said:
rocketpig said:
kingofwale said:
rocketpig said:
kingofwale said:
the guy is slowly becoming the biggest idiot in gaming. Right up there with Pachter.

ROFL. Sure. He's only been at the forefront of gaming technology for well over 15 years now...

 

and yet. we like him being there.... as oppose to be during interviews.

Again, QuakeCon. Everybody say it with me.

 

QuakeCon.

QuakeCon!!!!

 

 

 QuakeCon.

 

Quake-con.



And that's the only thing I need is *this*. I don't need this or this. Just this PS4... And this gaming PC. - The PS4 and the Gaming PC and that's all I need... And this Xbox 360. - The PS4, the Gaming PC, and the Xbox 360, and that's all I need... And these PS3's. - The PS4, and these PS3's, and the Gaming PC, and the Xbox 360... And this Nintendo DS. - The PS4, this Xbox 360, and the Gaming PC, and the PS3's, and that's all *I* need. And that's *all* I need too. I don't need one other thing, not one... I need this. - The Gaming PC and PS4, and Xbox 360, and thePS3's . Well what are you looking at? What do you think I'm some kind of a jerk or something! - And this. That's all I need.

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iphone as good as PS2/XBOX, hmm i smell a large amount of BS, also i have a nokia n95 with n-gage support, the graphics and games are at least comparable to the iphone and also having played both the ds and psp, i have yet to see anything that suggests the iphone is anything other than another overhyped apple product that looks good but fails when put under scrutiny, apple failed to topple ms in computers, and they will fail to topple sony or nintendo or microsoft in gaming



halil23 said:
NJ5 said:
If the iPhone becomes big in terms of games, at least Apple fanboys will finally have games to play.

Oh no! Can you imagine Apple fanboys on VGC, they're worst than xbots!!!

 

 oh noes!!!1111111111!!1111111111!!!!!!! teh xboobies!



And that's the only thing I need is *this*. I don't need this or this. Just this PS4... And this gaming PC. - The PS4 and the Gaming PC and that's all I need... And this Xbox 360. - The PS4, the Gaming PC, and the Xbox 360, and that's all I need... And these PS3's. - The PS4, and these PS3's, and the Gaming PC, and the Xbox 360... And this Nintendo DS. - The PS4, this Xbox 360, and the Gaming PC, and the PS3's, and that's all *I* need. And that's *all* I need too. I don't need one other thing, not one... I need this. - The Gaming PC and PS4, and Xbox 360, and thePS3's . Well what are you looking at? What do you think I'm some kind of a jerk or something! - And this. That's all I need.

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Onyxmeth said:

I love how people are in this thread questioning John Carmack like they know more about this shit than he does. This man is a legend, in the same boat as Miyamoto. He knows more about this industry, hardware, software, whatever than any of us ever will. He's developing two games for the iPhone. If he says it's almost there with the PS2, i'll believe the man, since he happens to know the damn hardware and we don't. I can't wait to see what Id software is cooking up for for it.

 

Agreed.

I think it would be fair to say that Carmack is to graphics technology as Miyamoto is to gameplay innovations, which is to say God.



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I might point out that Carmack has little (any?) hands-on experience with the PS2 or Xbox, so I'd take his comments with a grain of salt, especially any claims about the relative power of each of these machines versus the iPhone--it's not as if he can simply look at the hardware and instantly calculate its relative horsepower (as some on this thread seem to imply) and is probably basing his comments on what he's been told or read, rather than what he has actually experienced by briging his coding superpowers to bear to squeeze the most possible from the machine in question (in other words, if he isn't building his engines from the ground-up to work on a particular piece of hardware, there is almost always going to be waste and inefficiency when porting that engine around to a host of platforms).

It's also worth pointing out that he's been neck-deep in x86 CPUs for nigh-on two decades, so when he comments on ease of use and horsepower of console x versus console y, you have to at least admit that he might be somewhat biased towards those devices/machines/OSes that he is most familiar (this only stands to reason), so a machine like the PS2 (or PS3) would be relatively alien to his experience since he never really spent any time trying to get much out of them. Meanwhile, over on the 360/iPhone side, he's used to the tools or the hardware or the OS (or all of the above).

This, of course, isn't to say he couldn't. I'm certain that if he sat down and spent a year working solely on the Cell architecture we might all be blown away. But he doesn't and he won't because that's not where the money is as far as id is concerned: the money is on PC, 360 and, apparently, iPhone (and a lot of work for both the PC and 360 is very portable with little waste when transitioning engine work to and fro--the same might very well be the case with the iPhone).

Also, by way of an analogy vis-a-vis Carmack's statements on relative console power levels and their general value in the debate: It's a lot like a fantastic athlete in football that thinks he also knows all there is to know about playing soccer when he hasn't spent very much time actually playing it. Sure, some of the knowledge between games is transferable, but the nitty-gritty, the essentials, might not be quite so easy to grasp without a lot more hands-on time learning the ins and outs, the nuances, of the less-familiar game. This superficial handle on things, however, is enough to convince the average layman that, hell yeah, this guy knows everything there is to know about soccer, even if, at heart, he's really only a great football player and athlete but not neccesarily a great soccer player.

Also there's the question of what his criteria is for making such statements: does he mean it's more powerful because it has more RAM? Is it because the development environment is much easier (believable since it's been years since the Xbox or PS2 were in vogue and the iPhone is, of course, bound to have better--or at least much newer--tools)? Could it be that it's a tactical business decision and that since id is investing substantial resources (read: money) in the platform, it helps if he talks it up to get people to pay attention? It could be all of the above, none of the above, or a mixture (or something else entirely). The point is, do we even know what the context is for his statement(s)? After all, the Sega Saturn had more powerful hardware than the PS One, but getting to it required such a massive amount of work that it wasn't worth the investment to struggle with its idiosyncracies.

Another thing: a lot of you need to really stop with the "he's a god, he knows all, if you question him you will burn!" nonsense because nobody is perfect/right all the time, regardless of how skilled they are at a given craft/trade/profession/etc. Even Einstein made massive, massive fuck-ups in his career and he was one of the most brilliant men to in human history so it might just be possible that the All Seeing Eye, err, Carmack might not always be right just because he's John Carmack.




PS360ForTheWin said:
iphone as good as PS2/XBOX, hmm i smell a large amount of BS, also i have a nokia n95 with n-gage support, the graphics and games are at least comparable to the iphone and also having played both the ds and psp, i have yet to see anything that suggests the iphone is anything other than another overhyped apple product that looks good but fails when put under scrutiny, apple failed to topple ms in computers, and they will fail to topple sony or nintendo or microsoft in gaming

I guess its a good thing that the iphone isn't about gaming and instead capturing the cell phone market. Currently its working pretty well.



Leo-j said: If a dvd for a pc game holds what? Crysis at 3000p or something, why in the world cant a blu-ray disc do the same?

ssj12 said: Player specific decoders are nothing more than specialized GPUs. Gran Turismo is the trust driving simulator of them all. 

"Why do they call it the xbox 360? Because when you see it, you'll turn 360 degrees and walk away" 

Onyxmeth said:

I love how people are in this thread questioning John Carmack like they know more about this shit than he does. This man is a legend, in the same boat as Miyamoto. He knows more about this industry, hardware, software, whatever than any of us ever will. He's developing two games for the iPhone. If he says it's almost there with the PS2, i'll believe the man, since he happens to know the damn hardware and we don't. I can't wait to see what Id software is cooking up for for it.

And I love how you assume it requires an equal level of experience to tell someone they are wrong.

It doesn't take 20 yeas of PC development under your belt to realize he's spouting nonsense.  

 

It uses PowerVR's MBX GPU platform (which isn't even their highest end mobile graphics platform) and many modern cell phones and PDA's use the same platform.  The MBX platform doens't have the libraries, the programming technology, the processing power, etc...to step up to the PS2/GC/Xbox.

 

Besides, 5 hours of 3G talk time means game time will be incredibly limited....espceically if it somehow (by a miracle of magical engineering from a now canceled graphics platform [MBX]) has Xbox level processing.



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Staude said:
LOL.. the psp alone is almost as powerful as the ps2.. wtf.. also.. in no way is the iphone near the psp.

 

How would you know? ever used an Iphone?

 



rocketpig said:
kingofwale said:
the guy is slowly becoming the biggest idiot in gaming. Right up there with Pachter.

ROFL. Sure. He's only been at the forefront of gaming technology for well over 15 years now...

 

LOL. Agree with Rocket. Carmack is probably the only guy in the industry I will trust 100% for comments on hardware and graphics. He is the king of 3d tech.