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mrstickball said:
ChronotriggerJM said:
@Kn

How many of those 90+ titles saw the sales that Halo 3 did? I'm willing to bet, not many. The 360 does have the more than "90%+!!!!" titles than the PS3 does, but they both have a ton of 80%+. No one should be only buying 90%+ titles >_> That's stupid.

And then you have to think of the review system put in place today. A game like GTAIV getting perfect 10's? A game like Mass Effect being 90%+ disregarding it's atrocious technical issues? Dare I say I keep my eye's open for this type of stuff.

And if you count 80%+ titles, the X360 has more than twice of those vs. the Playstation 3.

Regardless of the reasoning (1yr earlier launch, ect), the X360 is still bludgeoning the PS3 in the US. It has a 6.5m lead, and unlike Europe or Japan, has sold paralell to the PS3 this year. Use any reasoning you like, but it's very doubtful that in exactly 1 year, the Playstation 3 will have anywhere near the million sellers that the Xbox 360 has at this very second in the US.

Again, it comes down to games. A gamer is more likely to reccomend a system if it has good games. It's called word of mouth. If someone likes a game, they will tell a friend. If that game is exclusive to the X360...Guess what system they will buy? 

Oh sure, word of mouth definitely has some bearing on it all, and the year head start DEFINITELY helps increase your gaming library, as least in terms of shelf space (you and I probably ignore 95% of the games in stores), and in THAT regard I guess I can see your point. But if your talking about the "Quality" of the titles, your not really going to be dissapointed in either console. One has preferences and that's always important.

I just want to know the big thing that's really setting it apart in America. The rest of the world is waning thin of the head start, but America is the only country which is holding it's ground for the 360. Granted, PS3 sales did pick up to around the same level's, but it's not "the games" in the rest of the world. What is it here?

I honestly believe it's Microsofts marketing. The fact that I could get Master Chief slapped all over my mountain dew, the fact that I can see Cards for Xbox live at 7-11 or Gamestop, I just think Microsofts put so much more awarness of the console's existance in America that Sony has.

 



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ollie3650 said:

PS3 will outsell 360 in USA eventually.

Its outsold it this year so far

its popular because Microsoft is American?

 

I don't think "buying American" has anything to do with it.  Americans are not country loyal.  Remember, we are a band of (relatively) recent immigrants.  We have people who live permanently in this country but compete in the olympics for other countries, root for their teams when they visit the U.S., live in "little versions" of their own country with localized signs, businesses, etc.  We aren't die-hard "buy American!" people.  If that were the case, American car manufacturers wouldn't be on the brink of bankruptcy and Wal-Mart would be out of business (90% made in China).  I hate Microsoft with a fucking passion.  However, there are many great games on the 360 and I enjoy playing them.  If I could take every game from the 360 library that has a metacritic of 50% or higher and get all the titles Microsoft has coming down the pipe moved to the PS3, I'd switch to my PSWii exclusively.  That isn't going to happen so the 360 remains in my living room and I both enjoy the games on it and look forward to many more in the future.



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kn said:
ChronotriggerJM said:
@Kn

How many of those 90+ titles saw the sales that Halo 3 did? I'm willing to bet, not many. The 360 does have the more than "90%+!!!!" titles than the PS3 does, but they both have a ton of 80%+. No one should be only buying 90%+ titles >_> That's stupid.

And then you have to think of the review system put in place today. A game like GTAIV getting perfect 10's? A game like Mass Effect being 90%+ disregarding it's atrocious technical issues? Dare I say I keep my eye's open for this type of stuff.

 

I'm not really into the 12 games at 90%+ figure.  I completely disagree with a significant number of reviews out there... MGS4 and GTAIV a 10?  Hell no.  But that's my opinion and I'm sure others disagree.  What I'm really pointing out the ratio of total games.  I've played some recent games that I really liked that didn't score well as I'm sure a lot of you have, and, I've played some highly rated ones that I didn't like AT ALL.  There just isn't  any arguing the fact that a large library of games, including shovelware, is appealing to the masses.  The PS2 had an enormous library of shovelware, good, and great games.  That library is what attracted people -- simple as that.  The 360 currently has more than double the PS3's total game library.  Again, if the average (non-die-hard-VGC-reading game player) walks into a gamestop, and makes their decision solely on games, they will find more to choose from on the 360.  I'm not attacking or discrediting the PS3 libary.  I have one and have some games for it.  I'm not going to lie and say the overall library of games for my PS3 is better than my 360 as it simply isn't.  If we want to talk about a handful of exclusives then the PS3 can certainly match up BUT, again, the average gamer isn't going to buy a $350-400 console (either one) based on a handful of games... They are going to make their judgement, in my opinion, on the overall library of stuff to play.

I agree with this statement almost entirely :P My personal preference is towards the PS3's library, in which I have more titles that I've enjoyed, but I think that's just part of my taste for Sony's style. And in terms of sheer volume of games, I can definitely agree with your statement. I just get tired of people saying it's the "quality" of the titles... A high quality game isn't guaranteed to sell well >_>;; so technically it's the "awarness of the high quality titles" which would move consoles, and like I stated, not all top rated games sell well.

I still want to know why the 360 only really sells in AMERICA though. Doesn't all of the world have more titles for the 360 than the PS3? What's the deal?

 



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    I am not sure why you can't believe it's the games. I chose Xbox 360 over PS3 because I knew of more games on the system, and coming out for the system, that I'd want. I do believe the games on a system affect the choice of many people.



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Hawk said:
@ChronotriggerJM I am not sure why you can believe it's the games. I chose Xbox 360 over PS3 because I knew of more games on the system, and coming out for the system, that I'd want. I do believe the games on a system affect the choice of many people.

Many people indeed :P Most of which being informed. But sadly, the informed gamer doesn't make up the bulk of the people buying it.

I'm gonna ask the question just one more time (that's probably a lie I'll mention it again I'm sure), if the 360 worldwide, has more games, more high rated games, more appeal to the mass market, why is America the only country buying it in droves? I think that's what this thread is about.

 



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Rock_on_2008 said:

More people will buy PS3. PS3 install base in America will eventually overtake the X360 by 2010. I believe as soon as PS3 goes passed the X360 in worldwide console sales by end of 2009. By 2010 X360 would of been gone and a new XBox would be on the market. MS have a reputation of turning their back on consumers.

Console sales is the most important thing. Gamers care about buying the console that has the most console sales. Games like Halo 3, Gears of War , Bioshock, MassEffect, etc are a second thought. XBox Live. lol. PSN is free and with 2.42 update it is better than XBox Live. PS3 has the best exclusive games and PS3 plays Blu-Ray.

You forgot the /fanboy there buddy.

 



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RolStoppable said:
ChronotriggerJM said:
Hawk said:
@ChronotriggerJM I am not sure why you can't believe it's the games. I chose Xbox 360 over PS3 because I knew of more games on the system, and coming out for the system, that I'd want. I do believe the games on a system affect the choice of many people.

Many people indeed :P Most of which being informed. But sadly, the informed gamer doesn't make up the bulk of the people buying it.

I'm gonna ask the question just one more time (that's probably a lie I'll mention it again I'm sure), if the 360 worldwide, has more games, more high rated games, more appeal to the mass market, why is America the only country buying it in droves? I think that's what this thread is about.

The games library of the 360 heavily caters to the tastes of American hardcore gamers. That's the simple reason why the 360 is doing well in America, but not in the rest of the world.

Thats my view on it.  Realistically I'd say it's both because of marketing and that the 360 has games that fit American tastes better.

 



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RolStoppable said:

The games library of the 360 heavily caters to the tastes of American hardcore gamers. That's the simple reason why the 360 is doing well in America, but not in the rest of the world.

And that's a damn good reason, but you'd think with the 360 supporters touting it as the "most diverse and best library", that it might hook somewhere else... It's got more JRPG's than the PS3, yet sells worse in Japan, more racers and sports games, yet sells worse in Europe... Just something in the American water I guess :P



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ChronotriggerJM said:
Hawk said:
@ChronotriggerJM I am not sure why you can believe it's the games. I chose Xbox 360 over PS3 because I knew of more games on the system, and coming out for the system, that I'd want. I do believe the games on a system affect the choice of many people.

Many people indeed :P Most of which being informed. But sadly, the informed gamer doesn't make up the bulk of the people buying it.

I'm gonna ask the question just one more time (that's probably a lie I'll mention it again I'm sure), if the 360 worldwide, has more games, more high rated games, more appeal to the mass market, why is America the only country buying it in droves? I think that's what this thread is about.

 

You might be asking the wrong question then.  Instead of asking "Why is America buying the 360", you should ask "Why aren't Europe or Japan or Country X purchasing the 360 at the same rate?".

It's not even opinion, the 360 has a larger and more diverse library of games, proveable by any game database, as well as higher ratings and higher sellers across the board.  Europe has not been receiving the same level of support for Xbox Live as America, nor all the same games we get.  Plus Europeans seem to be more put off by the RRoD fiasco, while Americans don't seem to mind as much.

In Japan, the Xbox 1 was a terrible seller.  It had a poor game library, was big and ugly (Japanese like cute, tiny things), a controller that was too big for them.  It left a horrendous stain and stigma on the xbox brand, which explains the current state of things over there.

When you learn to ask the right questions, you'll get the answers you seek :P

 



ChronotriggerJM said:
kn said:
ChronotriggerJM said:
@Kn

How many of those 90+ titles saw the sales that Halo 3 did? I'm willing to bet, not many. The 360 does have the more than "90%+!!!!" titles than the PS3 does, but they both have a ton of 80%+. No one should be only buying 90%+ titles >_> That's stupid.

And then you have to think of the review system put in place today. A game like GTAIV getting perfect 10's? A game like Mass Effect being 90%+ disregarding it's atrocious technical issues? Dare I say I keep my eye's open for this type of stuff.

 

I'm not really into the 12 games at 90%+ figure. I completely disagree with a significant number of reviews out there... MGS4 and GTAIV a 10? Hell no. But that's my opinion and I'm sure others disagree. What I'm really pointing out the ratio of total games. I've played some recent games that I really liked that didn't score well as I'm sure a lot of you have, and, I've played some highly rated ones that I didn't like AT ALL. There just isn't any arguing the fact that a large library of games, including shovelware, is appealing to the masses. The PS2 had an enormous library of shovelware, good, and great games. That library is what attracted people -- simple as that. The 360 currently has more than double the PS3's total game library. Again, if the average (non-die-hard-VGC-reading game player) walks into a gamestop, and makes their decision solely on games, they will find more to choose from on the 360. I'm not attacking or discrediting the PS3 libary. I have one and have some games for it. I'm not going to lie and say the overall library of games for my PS3 is better than my 360 as it simply isn't. If we want to talk about a handful of exclusives then the PS3 can certainly match up BUT, again, the average gamer isn't going to buy a $350-400 console (either one) based on a handful of games... They are going to make their judgement, in my opinion, on the overall library of stuff to play.

I agree with this statement almost entirely :P My personal preference is towards the PS3's library, in which I have more titles that I've enjoyed, but I think that's just part of my taste for Sony's style. And in terms of sheer volume of games, I can definitely agree with your statement. I just get tired of people saying it's the "quality" of the titles... A high quality game isn't guaranteed to sell well >_>;; so technically it's the "awarness of the high quality titles" which would move consoles, and like I stated, not all top rated games sell well.

I still want to know why the 360 only really sells in AMERICA though. Doesn't all of the world have more titles for the 360 than the PS3? What's the deal?

 

 


That's a good question.  Certainly in Japan, the 360 libary isn't as big as there are a LOT of games that aren't localized.  It would be interesting to get a count of titles available in the local language for the PS3 and 360 in all three regions -- Japan, Major European languages, and the U.S.  I believe the 360 is still doing well against the PS3 in the U.K, isn't it?  Perhaps beacause of the English Language... That would bring us back to the "games" discussion as I would suspect (though I need some confirmation) that the number of titles available in English in the U.K. are similar to the U.S.

I believe there is more to the whole RROD issue than people are willing to admit.  Most of my 360 owning cohorts are fully aware of the RROD issue and are more or less fine with it.  Their thoughts are that, hey, it has a 3-year warranty and if it breaks, I'll just sent it back or buy a new one.  Americans are a bit more financially wreckless than most of the rest of the world (higher consumer debt, bankruptcies, low savings, etc.)  From my trips to Europe, I've found Europeans to be a bit more cautious when it comes to quality.  They will spend the money to get better quality.   The RROD issue probably is quite damaging to Microsoft in Europe.  Japan has two issues.  First, the same as Europe -- they like high quality goods.  Second, they ARE nationalistic and will buy the Japanese brand over others -- especially in electronics...  If Microsoft had built a quality product from day one, the 360's lead over the PS3 lead, worldwide, would have been, in my opinion, insurmountable at this point in the race.



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