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c0rd

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yes nintendo has some "hardcore titles" but M$ and $ony have BILLIONs more.... thats what we are complaining about........



Dno said:
yes nintendo has some "hardcore titles" but M$ and $ony have BILLIONs more.... thats what we are complaining about........

 

Not really ...

The number of quality third party releases on the Wii until the end of the year is (roughly) 50 games, and there is (roughly) 75 quality third party releases for the HD consoles for the rest of the year. Certainly, there is still an advantage for the HD consoles, but most of their games began in late 2006 in order to release in 2008; which (as you are well aware) was before most developers began proclaiming greater support for the Wii and (long) before everyone accepted the Wii was going to be the market leader.



Dno said:
yes nintendo has some "hardcore titles" but M$ and $ony have BILLIONs more.... thats what we are complaining about........

That at least makes some sense, however when that argument turns into complaints about Nintendo abandonining certain gamers, it doesn't.  They've been providing the same support to the "hardcore" since GCN, and possibly even N64 - except now they have more games for the "casuals" as well.  The old gamers are simply jealous of the attention Nintendo is giving to the new audience.  If Nintendo stops making Fire Emblems, Zeldas, Metroids, etc... then they have an argument.  Also, most of the "hardcore titles" on MS / Sony's consoles are 3rd parties, aren't they?  Nintendo hasn't had great third party support since the SNES, so the current lack of quality titles is nothing new (not to mention, this is quickly changing).



Onyxmeth said:
c0rd said:

Hello - I've been lurking on these forums for weeks now, and people talking about Nintendo abandoning their "hardcore" fans is one thing that comes up often enough.  The cries became far worse after e3 hit - I'll admit, I was a bit disappointed there weren't many surprises as well.

I've never paid all that much attention to the videogame business until recently (although I've always been a console gamer, since I was born).  All the whining about Nintendo made me curious as to whether they've really been softening up on their core games or not.

I decided to take a look at Nintendo's games on the previous console, the GCN, and compare where each console was at similar points in time.  I don't believe anybody complained about Nintendo abondoning them during the GCN days, so if their support is anywhere similar, then there should be nothing to complain about, right?

Here is a list of Nintendo published games from each console and their respective U.S. release dates (I'm listing Nintendo games only, as the complaints are directed towards them alone).  The dates were taken from wiki, so let me know if any of them are off or I'm missing anything.  The following is a jpeg image, sorry if it's blurry:

The core games launched are surpringly parallel between the two systems.  By the end of it's second year, each system has had an iteration of Mario, Zelda, Smash Bros, Mario Kart, Metroid, Mario Party, Animal Crossing, Wario, and a few sports games.  As for the remaining games, many of them can be compared to another in terms of how "hardcore" the game is (not debating about quality here, but the focus of the game):

That leaves only 1 core title left GCN has over Wii - Star Fox.  Instead, the Wii has the Wii Series, Endless Ocean, Big Brain Academy, and some WiiWare titles.  Even in the chance the disappointed "hardcore" gamers would prefer a Star Fox Adventures over all these titles, the titles are responsible for turning the Wii into the leading console.  While this does mean the Wii gets loads of shovelware, it also means mainstream 3rd party games will show up on the platform that wouldn't otherwise have (Japanese titles at least, like Monster Hunter 3).

Conclusion: Nintendo's effort for the core gamers has not gone down.  Instead, they've just released more games for the "casual" audience.  I believe this is a superior strategy to what they did in the GCN days, not just for Nintendo, but the gamers as well - even if the games are not for the "hardcore", the sales will no doubt bring 3rd parties to the system, ensuring that in time, there will be many more core games than the GCN ever had.

Oh, and I apologize if a thread like this was made before, as I didn't see any like it.  Otherwise, feel free to link here whenever the "hardcore" speak of Nintendo abandoning their old fans, because it appears that isn't the case.

Very well put together.

Off-topic complaint: It's annoying everytime a new poster starts their career at VGChartz with a long rant or informative topic we've all discussed to death, they have to mention they've been lurking since forever. It's the same story every time.

 

Welcome to VGC. It's good to have another intelligent person on the site! There aren't many of us left here, so we have to stick together lol.

Seriously though Onyxmeth, would you rather have a person posting logical and intelligent threads, or another random dude posting a whole lot of nothing and wasting space?

 



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You shouldn't have count wiiware games :P
PS:Welcome to the site



Nintendo dont care for that hardcore, they have forgotten about us, thats why the Wii is going to be the first Nintendo console that i will not be purchasing



obieslut said:
Nintendo dont care for that hardcore, they have forgotten about us, thats why the Wii is going to be the first Nintendo console that i will not be purchasing

 

Right ...

They forgot about their core demographic and demostrated this by releasing more games that appealed to them in less time than they have for every other system. If this is your definition of "Forgetting" I really hope Nintendo loses all memory of us.



obieslut said:
Nintendo dont care for that hardcore, they have forgotten about us, thats why the Wii is going to be the first Nintendo console that i will not be purchasing

Erm, did you read any of the post? When you say that sort of thing it'd be nice if you gave an explaination of why you feel that's the case (Nintendo not caring for "hardcore").

 



c0rd said:
obieslut said:
Nintendo dont care for that hardcore, they have forgotten about us, thats why the Wii is going to be the first Nintendo console that i will not be purchasing

Erm, did you read any of the post? When you say that sort of thing it'd be nice if you gave an explaination of why you feel that's the case (Nintendo not caring for "hardcore").

 

Likely because they already dropped Nintendo and are just trying antagonzing you. Maybe there game list is inaccurate, but considering that obieslut Nintendo lineup stopped at N64 and was mostly dwarfed by Sega and Sony games anyways.

Seriously check it out. Note on the N64 only Nintendo games.

It's like Ali said, people like to threaten that they will leave(regarding MMO). Well it's the same mentality here. I will never because of reason X.

You have provided far enough proof to the contrary of "don't care for the hardcore".



Squilliam: On Vgcharts its a commonly accepted practice to twist the bounds of plausibility in order to support your argument or agenda so I think its pretty cool that this gives me the precedent to say whatever I damn well please.