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Pristine20 on 30 July 2008
NJ5 said:
Mr.Y said:
Pristine20 said:
Add to that the fact that a majority of the wii's hardcore really only wan't sequels to nintendo 's top franchises then you have a mess as a third party dev.

 

Sounds like bullshit to me.


I think Pristine20 was just playing Wii Bingo with us... ironically, a pretty casual and old game.

 

Sorry to burst your bubble but unfortunately, I wasn't playing wii bingo with anyone.

 



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

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NJ5 on 30 July 2008
Pristine20 said:

Sorry to burst your bubble but unfortunately, I wasn't playing wii bingo with anyone.

 

I don't think it was possible to get a bingo, but a pretty good score nonetheless.

At least we'd get these:

"Only Nintendo games sell on Nintendo systems."

"Stupid casual gamers!"

"Nintendo is abandoning the hardcore!"

"Wii Fit!!????"

"Nintendo is destroying the industry!"

"Who cares about Wii sales? All the real games are on PS60!"

OK, perhaps you didn't say all of these explicitly, but most of them are at least implied ;)

 



My Mario Kart Wii friend code: 2707-1866-0957

Pristine20 on 30 July 2008
NJ5 said:
@Pristine20: You keep sidestepping and creating strawmen arguments. Zucas never said Nintendo is immune to the problem he was talking about.

If I say "A is a murderer", that doesn't mean B and C aren't.

 

 If he specifically wrote ps360, it wont have taken much more effort to write ps360wii. He conveniently omitted the last 3 letters but it doesn't look like a slip of the pen to me.

Exactly what do you mean by "strawmen arguements"? If you would elaborate perhaps I too could write a make a more informative arguement as well



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

Kasz216 on 30 July 2008
HappySqurriel said:
Pristine20 said:
HappySqurriel said:
Pristine20 said:
NJ5 said:

@Pristine20:

You're afraid for the industry, as opposed to the current status quo of HD console development, in which most third parties can't make a profit, let alone a healthy profit?

Don't worry, as soon as more third parties start taking the Wii seriously, the industry will look much healthier.

I guess I should have said I'm afraid for myself? Because If thats where the industry is headed, I guess I'll have to find a different hobby as sooon as gaming becomes about wii fit, wii sports, mario party, we ski, etc as these are the kinds of titles that generate the most profit.

The type of big-budget games that the "Snobcore" gamer tends to exclusively play have not been the most profitable in the industry for a very long time, and they have not made up the majority of the revenue produced in the industry either. With this in mind, lots of companies have continued to develop these games because there is a large enough market to create these games and turn a (very) healthy profit.

On top of that, these executives from large publishers that seem to be praised anytime they say something that matches what fanboys want to hear (and get bashed everythime they say something that fanboys don't want to hear) are actually pretty intelligent and understand how a market actually works. Just because Namco knows that they can get the best return on investment from producing DDR games does not mean that they will stop production of all other games to make more DDR games; they realize that there is only so much of a particular style of game that the market can really support, and therefore you need to produce a variety of games.

Hell, if expanding the market to include "Casual" gamers was going to kill off the "Core" market, wouldn't the core market have died off with the success of the Playstation or PS2?

"snobcore" : you know, I was stalking this thread waiting for someone to describe me with that word. Seems like a significant part of nintendo fanboy lingo these days.

To answer your point, I never said that casual games shouldn't be made but when you look at financials like EA's and their CEO's most recent rant, you know its wii-blown full steam and don't expect games like Battlefield to be coming to wii from them, its only going to be casual panddering all the way. Like you explained, these generate a healthy profit, hence, thats the quickest way to please investors because EA has nothing else to fall back on unlike Sony and M$.

Why would the core market have died off with the ps or ps2? Sure, there were casual titles, but there were also so many titles that I don't remember anytime in the reign of the ps/ps2 that core gamers were eagerly waiting to hear the announcement of another core title like what the wii is having right now? You see the difference. I for one am a HUGE JRPG fan and back then, I couldn't even keep up with the sheer amount of them that were released in that period. To this day, I'm still catching up!

I'm sorry but saying that ps/ps2 = wii is EPIC FAILURE. They just aren't the same. I don't remember anyone even been worried about casual games during that period because they just weren't as significant as they are now. The fact that all gamers talk about now on sites like this is the influx of casualware shows that there's trouble looming. Nintendo's E3 was enough to show what the heavyweights are all about now.

Unfortunately, your memory is quite flawed if you don't remember gamers waiting for games on the Playstation and PS2 ...

Even with the much lower development costs and shorter development cycles, it wasn't until about 2 years after the Playstation released that it really started to see a ton of support from third party publishers; and it wasn't until (about) its third or fourth year before its support was that crushing over what was available on other platforms.

Even though the PS2 was expected to be the dominant platform, it wasn't until its 15th month on the Japaneese market (9th or 10th month on the North American/European markets) where it really started seeing the steady flow of games that it became known for; Dreamcast fans used to use similar arguments to what HD fans use today to mock the PS2 for having a tiny and weak library.

The "Casual" argument wasn't used against the PS2 because the people who are currently using that argument favoured bashing similar games as "Kiddy-crap" ... Same immature frat-boys, different argument.


Yeah, Dreamcast really did crush PS2's early lineup which was crazy since sega had trouble with some developers.



NJ5 on 30 July 2008
Pristine20 said:
NJ5 said:
@Pristine20: You keep sidestepping and creating strawmen arguments. Zucas never said Nintendo is immune to the problem he was talking about.

If I say "A is a murderer", that doesn't mean B and C aren't.

 

 If he specifically wrote ps360, it wont have taken much more effort to write ps360wii. He conveniently omitted the last 3 letters but it doesn't look like a slip of the pen to me.

Exactly what do you mean by "strawmen arguements"? If you would elaborate perhaps I too could write a make a more informative arguement as well

Look up there in my quote, I wrote "A" too, but B and C might still be murderers. It's pretty simple logic!

Strawmen arguments are arguments in which you attribute to your opponent a position he did not hold. You pretended Zucas defended Nintendo was immune to the problem he was illustrating. There's your strawman.

 



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Pristine20 on 30 July 2008
NJ5 said:
Pristine20 said:

Sorry to burst your bubble but unfortunately, I wasn't playing wii bingo with anyone.

 

I don't think it was possible to get a bingo, but a pretty good score nonetheless.

At least we'd get these:

"Only Nintendo games sell on Nintendo systems."

"Stupid casual gamers!"

"Nintendo is abandoning the hardcore!"

"Wii Fit!!????"

"Nintendo is destroying the industry!"

"Who cares about Wii sales? All the real games are on PS60!"

OK, perhaps you didn't say all of these explicitly, but most of them are at least implied ;)

 

Its too bad you couldn't "get" the actual pioint I made.

 



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

NJ5 on 30 July 2008
Pristine20 said:
NJ5 said:
Pristine20 said:

Sorry to burst your bubble but unfortunately, I wasn't playing wii bingo with anyone.

 

I don't think it was possible to get a bingo, but a pretty good score nonetheless.

At least we'd get these:

"Only Nintendo games sell on Nintendo systems."

"Stupid casual gamers!"

"Nintendo is abandoning the hardcore!"

"Wii Fit!!????"

"Nintendo is destroying the industry!"

"Who cares about Wii sales? All the real games are on PS60!"

OK, perhaps you didn't say all of these explicitly, but most of them are at least implied ;)

 

Its too bad you couldn't "get" the actual pioint I made.

 

Do you want me to quote the posts in which you said/implied these?

 

 



My Mario Kart Wii friend code: 2707-1866-0957

Red4ADevil on 30 July 2008
NJ5 said:
Red4ADevil said:
I smell a raise for all the employees at nintendo.

Perhaps a bonus, but probably not a raise. Nintendo is a fiscally conservative company, I imagine that would extend to their remuneration policies.

 

 

 

Yeah that sounds more reasonable.



Pristine20 on 30 July 2008
NJ5 said:
Pristine20 said:
NJ5 said:
@Pristine20: You keep sidestepping and creating strawmen arguments. Zucas never said Nintendo is immune to the problem he was talking about.

If I say "A is a murderer", that doesn't mean B and C aren't.

 

 If he specifically wrote ps360, it wont have taken much more effort to write ps360wii. He conveniently omitted the last 3 letters but it doesn't look like a slip of the pen to me.

Exactly what do you mean by "strawmen arguements"? If you would elaborate perhaps I too could write a make a more informative arguement as well

Look up there in my quote, I wrote "A" too, but B and C might still be murderers. It's pretty simple logic!

Strawmen arguments are arguments in which you attribute to your opponent a position he did not hold. You pretended Zucas defended Nintendo was immune to the problem he was illustrating. There's your strawman.

 

Still, he could have used the wii as "A" and not the ps360 but he chose the path that he felt would have the greatest impact on me because he realized I wouldn't care if it was the wii he used in the arguement. There's no denying that.

 



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

NJ5 on 30 July 2008
Pristine20 said:
NJ5 said:

Look up there in my quote, I wrote "A" too, but B and C might still be murderers. It's pretty simple logic!

Strawmen arguments are arguments in which you attribute to your opponent a position he did not hold. You pretended Zucas defended Nintendo was immune to the problem he was illustrating. There's your strawman.

 

Still, he could have used the wii as "A" and not the ps360 but he chose the path that he felt would have the greatest impact on me because he realized I wouldn't care if it was the wii he used in the arguement. There's no denying that.

 

I think his reply made sense in context... When you are arguing with someone, you want to contradict their statements with something. There's no obligation to make the replies as generic as possible, when you simply want to prove a point about PS3/360. The fact that you decided to focus on this irrelevant point doesn't help your side of the argument. It would be much more productive to keep arguing the points in question instead of sidestepping so much.

 



My Mario Kart Wii friend code: 2707-1866-0957