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koffieboon said:
You change your mind very easily LordTheNightKnight. Ubisoft has yet to announce a good game for Wii and you're already happy with them just for announcing they'll be using Motion Plus? So far all they did was cash in at launch because there was little competition back then. After that they didn't release anything worth mentioning, they actually didn't even announce anything great or even remotely interesting. As for Red Steel 2, they might just try to be the first company out to support Motion Plus just to cash in on being first again. There really is no guarantee it will be a great effort.

 

What made you think I just changed my mind? I had stated WEEKS AGO that since Ubisoft stated those guy's words were not the company's postition, I was going to wait and see.

And it's not whether this game will be good. It's that their making core Wii games, which is more than just shovelware.



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LordTheNightKnight said:
And if Montana meant the quality of the games, I'm not going to argue on subjective opinions. I just meant what they thought of the Wii audience. They know the Wii audience has more than just parents not paying attention to the games they buy.

Well they're not idiots. I'm sure they've read up on reports about demographics. They just made the conscious decision that they can make more money off of shovelware than higher quality games on the Wii, which is true. If you read most of Ubisoft's financial reports, they talk about how Imagine and Dogz make them most of their money, while the only time a PS3 or 360 games gets mentioned is upon its launch (where the sales are large).

 



 

 

I actually didn't mind the first Red Steel personally and thought it was a good first effort for a new system that took a different road of gaming. We have to understand that they were rushed. At the same time lets just hope that Ubi decides to put the effort into the rest of their Wii titles that they seem to be doing with Red Steel 2.



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MontanaHatchet said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
And if Montana meant the quality of the games, I'm not going to argue on subjective opinions. I just meant what they thought of the Wii audience. They know the Wii audience has more than just parents not paying attention to the games they buy.

Well they're not idiots. I'm sure they've read up on reports about demographics. They just made the conscious decision that they can make more money off of shovelware than higher quality games on the Wii, which is true. If you read most of Ubisoft's financial reports, they talk about how Imagine and Dogz make them most of their money, while the only time a PS3 or 360 games gets mentioned is upon its launch (where the sales are large).

 

 

Of course those games are almost guaranteed to make money, given their low costs. But they can't just not make core games at all, or else they would lost their top tier developer position. Diversifying thier portfolio and all that. And since the Wii has core gamers, they are making core games on the Wii as well.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

The fact of the matter is, when Soriku originally posted the comments on this site, he stated it was a moderator from the Ubisoft boards. You would have thought that bit of info would have tipped everyone off as unofficial nonsense. Forum moderators do not get to announce official policy standing of a major video game publisher, that's why they pay people $200,000 a year to do just that.

Had anyone actually gone beyond and investigated the source, you would have found out it was a response to a forum member who asked about Wii development, not even the source of the topic it was written in. The moderator in the same topic mentioned it was his opinion later on the next day or so.

This was all a matter of a bunch of unhappy, overzealous Wii owners wanting to find some scapegoat to represent all of the bad things plaguing their purchase. A little reading comprehension and common sense would have helped and could have avoided that embarassment of a boycott in the first place.

I'm not exactly sure what you were boycotting in the first place Lord. Ubisoft stopped supporting all of your consoles a year or two ago.



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I think some people took the moderator's comments too seriously, and didn't look at the other comments from more respectable Ubisoft people which pointed in a similar direction.

Furthermore, actions speak louder than words... and from Ubisoft's actions, one wouldn't guess anything very different than what some people guessed from the moderator's words.

As for me, I'm still waiting and hoping. For actions, not words. I was happy about the Red Steel 2 announcement though, maybe it's a start.

 



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LordTheNightKnight said:
koffieboon said:
You change your mind very easily LordTheNightKnight. Ubisoft has yet to announce a good game for Wii and you're already happy with them just for announcing they'll be using Motion Plus? So far all they did was cash in at launch because there was little competition back then. After that they didn't release anything worth mentioning, they actually didn't even announce anything great or even remotely interesting. As for Red Steel 2, they might just try to be the first company out to support Motion Plus just to cash in on being first again. There really is no guarantee it will be a great effort.

 

What made you think I just changed my mind? I had stated WEEKS AGO that since Ubisoft stated those guy's words were not the company's postition, I was going to wait and see.

And it's not whether this game will be good. It's that their making core Wii games, which is more than just shovelware.

 

So you don't care whether they actually give it their best effort as long as it is a "core game"? Cause so far I can't say I have seen any serious effort by Ubisoft (no, I don't count RRR either, after the first one they're just releasing yearly updates. And according to their own words you can't create a great game in such a short timespan)

 



Onyxmeth said:

The fact of the matter is, when Soriku originally posted the comments on this site, he stated it was a moderator from the Ubisoft boards. You would have thought that bit of info would have tipped everyone off as unofficial nonsense. Forum moderators do not get to announce official policy standing of a major video game publisher, that's why they pay people $200,000 a year to do just that.

Had anyone actually gone beyond and investigated the source, you would have found out it was a response to a forum member who asked about Wii development, not even the source of the topic it was written in. The moderator in the same topic mentioned it was his opinion later on the next day or so.

This was all a matter of a bunch of unhappy, overzealous Wii owners wanting to find some scapegoat to represent all of the bad things plaguing their purchase. A little reading comprehension and common sense would have helped and could have avoided that embarassment of a boycott in the first place.

I'm not exactly sure what you were boycotting in the first place Lord. Ubisoft stopped supporting all of your consoles a year or two ago.

 

He wasn't just a moderator. He worked for the company. That's what made a lot of us think it was Ubisoft's official position. Again, some companies require employees to state it's just what they think, to avoid confusion.

As for koffieboon, it's not just about making that game. It's showing that they don't think they Wii is just a shovelware dump, or else they wouldn't be making a sequel to Red Steel at all. Since they've been working on it at the time that employee made those comments, it proves they don't actually think the way he claimed they did.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

LordTheNightKnight said:

 

He wasn't just a moderator. He worked for the company. That's what made a lot of us think it was Ubisoft's official position. Again, some companies require employees to state it's just what they think, to avoid confusion.

As for koffieboon, it's not just about making that game. It's showing that they don't think they Wii is just a shovelware dump, or else they wouldn't be making a sequel to Red Steel at all. Since they've been working on it at the time that employee made those comments, it proves they don't actually think the way he claimed they did.

I don't know about you, but I took articles like this as much more important than anything any moderator/small fish could have said:

http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSL2287657620070822

http://blog.wired.com/games/2007/11/ubisoft-aims-fo.html

Two quotes from 2007:

Guillemot said the company's casual games business was "extremely profitable" and helped to finance the initially costly development of games for next-generation consoles -- Sony's (6758.T: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz) PlayStation3 and Microsoft's (MSFT.O: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz) Xbox 360.

Instead of complaining that Nintendo games get all the attention on Nintendo platforms, why not just (wait for it) make products that are as high-quality? Ubisoft seems to get it: CEO Yves Guillemot says that the company's Wii games next year will be "Nintendo-quality."

What the moderator said might have been the catalyst, but it's certainly not the main reason for outrage, at least not as far as I'm concerned. As I said above... actions speak louder than words. Always look at the actions first. Nintendo quality games in 2008? Nope, not even close... Using the Wii as a money machine with shovelware (i.e. low development effort titles)? Yep, plenty of that.

 



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Well, I'm just a bit more demanding than you then LordTheNightKnight. I expect a developer to give their best effort to earn my money, not just release anything within a specific category.