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gebx said:
I would love it if Microsoft would recall all the 360's in the market and ship out the new ones with quieter drives and the extra GPU heatsink.

That's what it would take to regain the customers trust

 Would be nice, but not likely. Also a recall is an admittance of a big problem, MS is trying to deny that the percentages are higher than normal.



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Diomedes1976 said:
That number is too high ,it would mean all the consoles will eventually break in one year and a half at this rate .Maybe it is just one of the worst days of the service of technich assistance .

Curious thing is that the news doesnt come from a "troll " source or blog against MS .If that was reported by the Sony blog then we could safely say it is FUD but the fact is that it comes from a X360 users site .....

And Peter Moore saying the failure rate is only 3% ......sure .

Actually, he refused to comment on the failure rate.  No one from Microsoft ever gave a percentage.  They simply suggested it wasn't an abnormal failure rate.  That, of course, is open to interpretation although I don't think you could get Microsoft to now state that the failure rate is within acceptable limits.  I can't imagine any interpretation that would consider the current failure rate acceptable.



@ TheBigFatJ

Media quote: 

USA Today quotes a Microsoft representative as saying that returns of faulty Xbox 360 consoles are running at between three and five per cent of those sold. Which is lower than many of the online polls, but as US games blog Kotaku says, this could be due to some people not contacting Microsoft for a return if their machine is only occasionally glitching.


http://www.games-digest.com/2005/11/xbox_360_return.html

But we know that around that time at the earlier mentioned retailers failure rates were above 30%. Also EA around the time of this claim suffered tenfold the amount of failures of the hundreds of consoles they own.



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That service center in the UK *might* also service surrounding European countries. That could explain why they have so many entering - they're not JUST the UK and Ireland.



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MikeB said:
I can't imagine Microsoft to do much better than they did last generation, or at least IMO they don't deserve to....


Record holder so far? ReverendSlim, poster at 1UP / Kotagu with 8 broken XBox 360s? Maybe there are people who score higher, but I can imagine them to stay quiet as he got slammed by other XBox 360 fans, even calling him to be an idiot on blogs...

His horror story:

I bought the 360 at launch. That one died in May of ‘06 and was promptly replaced. The replacement died 10/15/06. Microsoft sent me a refurb that arrived on Halloween and was instantly killed by the Fall update’s faulty installation code (as admitted to on Gamerscoreblog.com - a site run by Microsoft employees). Two weeks later, another refurb arrived - this time dead out of the box. At this point, I bought a Core system from Circuit City because I had gone over a month with no system and wanted to play Gears Of War.

Microsoft lost the DOA unit I returned. After countless hours on the phone, they still refused to act so I contacted Larry Hyrb (aka Major Nelson) and explained my story, asking for his assistance. This resulted in an e-mail from Microsoft asking me to send in my dead system, which I explained that I had already done a month before. I did not receive a replacement until January 15, 2007 - almost three months to the day after my first refurb died. During that time, the Core system I had purchased red-ringed on me and was promptly replaced by Circuit City on 12/23/06. When I complained about 8 weeks of my Live account going to waste from them sending me broken units, they offered me a free year of Xbox Live.

The day after this statement was made, they charged my credit card for a year anyway. When I called to ask for a refund, they cancelled my Live account altogether. After two hour long calls asking where my free year went, they told me I would have to pay for a year again while the refunds were being processed. I did eventually receive two credits to my card, so eventually they did give me that free year. They then charged my credit card for Microsoft Points without actually giving them to me, requiring two more hours of phone calls, plus faxing my driver’s license and credit card to them on the letterhead of the law firm where I work. To their credit, after the 01/15/07 console arrived, I did receive a call from Microsoft HQ asking if I was satisfied, and when I explained everything that had happened, they sent me a free copy of Viva Pinata.

The system they sent me on 01/15/07 died on 05/23/07. I waited for the box, sent it in and received a refurb on 06/08/07. That refurb had a disc tray that wouldn’t open and the system would randomly reboot itself for no reason. I received yet another box from MS and just sent the refurb back to them on 06/14/07.

If you’re doing the math, the next refurb I receive from Microsoft will be system number 9 since launch (if you count the second Core system, which I kept as a backup). Seriously. NINE. I wish I was kidding about that number, but I have a closet full of Microsoft boxes and 5 white faceplates to prove it (because they tell you to remove them before you send the dead system in).

Since launch, I have made over 50 phone calls to Microsoft support, each averaging about an hour. During these calls:
- I was lied to about getting a free year of Live and had to talk to two supervisors to get what they had promised me.
- I was lied to multiple times about a return box being sent to my house when none was scheduled to.
- I had to pay for my own shipping and packaging twice.
- I was told that I had to ship it myself, and then received an empty box from Microsoft the day after my Halloween ‘06 refurb arrived.
- I had a supervisor tell me my case was being escalated to Microsoft HQ so I would receive a NEW console instead of a refurb - only to be told weeks later by another supervisor that this was not true.
- I had another supervisor tell me that a new-in-box console had already been shipped to my house and to call back 24 hours later for a tracking number, only to be told the following day by a supervisor named Shaun that “that supervisor lied to you, probably just to get off the phone with you.”

The point of my story is this: I love the 360. I like the games, I like the integration and ease of Xbox Live, and the 360 controller is probably the most comfortable game controller I’ve used in my 33 years. But if someone like me, who works in IT and treats their electronic equipment exceedingly well, can’t keep a 360 running, there is a serious issue with the system’s reliability. And after my 8th system since launch was dead on arrival, you would think that Microsoft would just send me a new one already… or at the very least, a refurb that they had adequately tested.

Let’s hope that system number 9 arrives soon. Personally, I’m hoping that they send me one that has the new heatpipe they’ve added to the GPU heatsink that has been reported by countless gaming news outlets (and was responded to with the same amount of stonewalling and doublespeak that Dean experienced here). If not, I’ll no doubt be on number 10 before too long… and that’s simply inexcusable.

 

This guy is doing something wrong.  In fact, if anyone knows him, I wouldn't let him touch your 360.

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The 360 failure rates will depend on people's use of it, and the time frame involved.

MS apparantly didnt factor into the 360 the "geek time" that gamers will put into the 360. They were probably just looking at casual gamers and said , " oh well this is all ok " LOL.... it wasn't.

Also, if you track all 360's say a year or 1.5 yrs after purchase, the % of their breakdown will climb.

It's just video game statistics either way...



MikeB said:

@ TheBigFatJ

Media quote:

USA Today quotes a Microsoft representative as saying that returns of faulty Xbox 360 consoles are running at between three and five per cent of those sold. Which is lower than many of the online polls, but as US games blog Kotaku says, this could be due to some people not contacting Microsoft for a return if their machine is only occasionally glitching.


http://www.games-digest.com/2005/11/xbox_360_return.html

But we know that around that time at the earlier mentioned retailers failure rates were above 30%. Also EA around the time of this claim suffered tenfold the amount of failures of the hundreds of consoles they own.


Microsoft continues to refuse to provide numbers.  Your source failed to quote USA today correctly. From the USA today:

Meanwhile, Microsoft is acting quickly to address early reports of crashes and glitches. "We are doing everything we can to take care of gamers who are having problems," says O'Donnell, who says the rate of complaints is below the 3% to 5% expected with new electronics products. (Those with problems should call 1-800-4MY-XBOX.)

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/gaming/2005-11-28-xbox-second-round_x.htm

USA today added that new electronics products have a regular rate of 3-5%. It looks like O'Donnell said that the failure rate is below the expected rate with new electronics products, which doesn't have a hard definition. You know, I think I heard this before -- oh, wait, that article was written less than two weeks after the 360 launched!



TheBigFatJ said:
MikeB said:
IMO XBox 360 overheating deserves European Commission investigation, just like is currently the case with regard to the XBox 360's disc scratching issues.
Definitely. Look at this:

http://www.weplayxbox.com/2007/06/26/the-great-xbox-360-repair-debaclebeen-waiting-over-a-month-for-your-console/

 

Anyway, the early reports are indicating that MS is getting ahold of its overheating problems:

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/06/26/30__failure_rate_for_the_360/1

Actually, that article just says that they had two fail in the office and it suggests that people are contacting Microsoft directly.  In fact, the retailer is telling them to contact MS directly and not bring it back. 


 

 

 

That weplay xbox thing is so horribly made up

i think somebody should spear the guy who wrote it.  He is talking about July 2007. and how on July 11th he phoned some people. Does something sound fishy?? oh wait its not july yet!



thetonestarr said:
That service center in the UK *might* also service surrounding European countries. That could explain why they have so many entering - they're not JUST the UK and Ireland.

That sounds plausibe. It may not be cost effective to have repair centers or centers of substantial size in some places and so the consoles get sent to the next closest center.

I was always under the impression that went you sent in a console they sent you a refurb, not necessarily your own repaired console in order to reduce turn around time. 



Interesting. The numbers were 1500~2500, not right at 2500....Way to spin it (although Im not doubting the numbers).

I hope MS realizes the bad press they are getting from these random stories about massive returns. MS has the cash, and sence to realize that this is hurting their bottomline. Hopefully they fix this for good in the next few weeks, or else they'll never make money due to too high return rates.



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